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silbernwolf

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posted 11-07-2005 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silbernwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The quad plate teapot is marked as such by Apollo Silver Co 1530 and "Pat Pending". The stand is not intended for warming but for carrying the teapot which is approximately 6 inches diameter. The mechanism underneath the stand that screws to open and close the claws of the stand is marked Mermod & Jaccard and 'Patented June 2 '91'. It is so charming but curious to say the least. I am tempted to look up the patent design to find out the inventor. It would not be surprising that this design did not market well as it is clumsy to operate. Has anyone ever seen such a teapot?

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Dale

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posted 11-08-2005 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the picture. The base looks to be a cheeseball holder. The pot a much later piece. Mermod Jaccard was a major ST Louis retailer, and sometimes maker.

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Scott Martin
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posted 11-08-2005 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
see: Another Whatzit (click here)

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silbernwolf

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posted 11-08-2005 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silbernwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, this is really interesting now after reading the Whatzit thread where the patent for another cheeseholder was attributed to Wilcox on the VERY SAME DAY as the patent on our cheeseholder. The only difference is ours is numbered 41 and it has Mermod Jaccard's circular stamp. So, could this mean that Wilcox and Mermod chose their own design from the inventor? Being in the KCMO area, we are familiar with Mermod Jaccards (and King). The successor, Jaccard's Jewelry, finally closed here KCMO around 1970. Did Mermod actual craft silver? I think of them more of jewelers that had silver objects made for them.

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Dale

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posted 11-08-2005 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It isn't clear to me at least whether Mermod Jaccard were simply retailing things others made or did their own production. I suspect they did a bit of both. Some of the MJ items I have seen looked like they were designs from major eastern makers. And some were not. Is there any study of the history of MJ's plated wares?

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outwest

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posted 11-08-2005 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A cheeseball holder?! Now I've heard everything. I thought my gold washed Tiffany sugar sprinkle spoon was ridiculous. Some people had a lot of money to burn if they would purchase a silver cheeseball holder. : )

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wev
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posted 11-08-2005 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There have always been people with money to burn; in every human era vanity and marketing have walked hand in hand.

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Dale

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posted 11-08-2005 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the other hand, making a cheeseball and having it roll off the table is wasteful and looks tacky. So, the holder can be seen as a sensible means of preventing an accident. They also work for serving hollowed out melons and pineapples.

The sugar sifter is actually a useful item. It works for finely grated cheese also. And it is great for dredging things out of a sauce or brine.

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outwest

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posted 11-08-2005 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, That's a really pretty tea pot. If the tea didn't have a faint swiss taste and the room didn't have that sulfer cheesey smell, I might even enjoy a cup.

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wev
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posted 11-09-2005 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swiss? Who would use a cheese holder for Swiss cheese? And why would you favour any cheese that smelled of sulfur?

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outwest

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posted 11-09-2005 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I made a cheeseball with swiss cheese in it once; can't say as I had a cheeseball holder, though. I might have used a cheeseball plate or perhaps a cheeseball bowl. I can't recall because the cheeseball was nasty tasting (probably because of the swiss cheese).

If you're heating up your tea with a cheeseball holder that's held a cheeseball made out of swiss cheese then burnt sulpher smell might possibly be an issue. At least it is worth considering.

[This message has been edited by outwest (edited 11-09-2005).]

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Kimo

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posted 11-09-2005 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But I thought these silver plated cheese ball holders WERE what the poor people used to hold their cheeseballs. Rich folk's cheeseball holders would have been sterling ones, n'est pas?

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silbernwolf

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posted 11-09-2005 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silbernwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, Okay, cut with the cheese. How about my patent question? Why would two mechanisms be patented the same exact DAY and yet be stamped by two different makers, ie Wilcox vs Mermod Jaccard. BTW, you may already know that although the US Patent Ofc has records back to 1790, you can't search documents prior to 1970 unless you have the patent number.

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Dale

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posted 11-09-2005 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because the patent was given to the originator who then licensed others to produce it. That seems like one answer. The other answer would be that Wilcox made silver for Memord Jacquard and put the MS label on it, while asserting their patent. The ideal olive spoon comes this way: the patent owner never made any, he just licensed it for others to use.

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wev
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posted 11-10-2005 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it took a long afternoon, but I found it: patent number 453,571, issued to Seth William Babbitt of Meriden CT.

Now to see what can be discovered about Seth.

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silbernwolf

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posted 11-10-2005 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silbernwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW! I am duly impressed! How did you do it? This definitely proves the purpose of these contraptions. However, there is only one glaring difference - my cheese holder has 3 arms/claws.

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wev
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posted 11-10-2005 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just started at the first patent number (453,177) issued on that date and went one by one till I found it -- 394 pages later.

Apparently the third arm was left off the drawing for visual brevity; the description (lines 49-52) notes a triad of arms.

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outwest

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posted 11-11-2005 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is facinating! Even the language of the patent is neat. Did you find that online? How does someone search for something like that? Would a general library havve that or did you have to go to some special library?

Now, my question is:
Is the owner of the cheeseball holder that has been doubling as a tea pot holder going to make a cheeseball for the holidays for it to hold? What fun that would be when friends/family see it. You could print out the patent to show them!

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wev
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posted 11-11-2005 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
US patents back to 1790 are online at US Patent Office. Click on Patent / Search / Quick Search. For pre-1976 patents, you have to have the number or be willing to go page by page as I did.

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outwest

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posted 11-12-2005 02:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neat. I stuck it in favorites. I think I might have fun just looking in there. What an amazing resource right here at our fingertips.

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silbernwolf

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posted 11-14-2005 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silbernwolf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am the owner and am now wondering who in the heck put the teapot on the cheese ball holder! It fits perfectly and that is exactly how it was found in the estate sale that was an extensive collection of antiques. In other words, these were people who would know better. I will have to get the reprint from Silver Mag to find out how popular or unpopular they were.

Oh and BTW, I was thinking that it would be absolutely perfect for our traditional salmon cheese ball that I make every year!

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posted 11-15-2005 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, pstents were not issued on a daily basis - they accumulated and were issued only on certain days of the month, so whole batches of patents bear the same date. A possible scenario is that even though the applicant is supposed to have done a patent search, similar items may appear together if the patent office held them for their own search for similar items to verify the originality of the new submissions, and then released them together.

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ahwt

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posted 11-15-2005 11:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At one time not long ago the U.S. Patent Office had paper copies of all issued patents in a public search room. These patents were arranged by what the Patent Office calls Class and subclasses of the various arts. I am not sure where cheese holders would fall within the Patent Office’s various classes, but they have a separate book of definitions to aid one in determining were it is likely to be classified. You would then go to the hard copies and thumb thought them until you found a patent of interest. I have not been to the Patent Office search room since they eliminated the hard copies, but it is my understanding that most of the patents have been scanned into a computer data base that can be viewed in much the same way. Also when I had business at the Patent Office, Patent Examiners were accessible for questions about various places to search and also to review their collection of foreign art. This service may still be available today.

Also the Patent Office has regional search materials located in many large city public libraries. A Goggle® search of “patent office depository” will provide you a listing of these resources. As I recall there is a numerical listing of patents, however I think it starts in the 1920s. For the most part the searching still has to be done with the time devoted by WEV and we are all thankful for his efforts.

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