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agphile Posts: 798 Registered: Apr 2008	posted 07-01-2015 12:58 PM Sometimes I buy things when I know I shouldn’t. They may not be quite “right” or they may not really fit in with what I collect or, in this case, both of those. I think I thought this purchase might be interesting to show to collectors of American silver. By the time I got it home I thought they would only laugh at me so it has taken some time for me to summon up the courage to share this early American sucket spoon/fork. (or is it?) It has what appears to be the mark of Jacob Gerritse Lansing on the back of the stem just above the bowl and again on the front of the stem just above the tines. The central part of the stem appears old and in original condition with some wear. The engraved initials on the stem, N(reversed)VL , may or may not be original. The tines show signs of reworking and the bowl appears to be a replacement, or at least was separately made and soldered to the stem. Could this be an early 18th century sucket spoon/fork that has undergone some repair and restoration? Or some quite different 18th century piece that has been altered to its present form? Or a more modern fantasy piece with fake marks? When hunting around on the web I discovered that at some presumably not too distant date it had been sold at an auction as an English provincial item by an unknown maker. This was on a site to which I do not subscribe so I was unable to learn more about that step in its history. Anyhow, I know what I think, but the views of others would be welcome. IP: Logged
adelapt Posts: 418 Registered: May 2003	posted 01-15-2016 12:44 AM This lot apparently was offered by the Salisbury (UK) auction room of Woolley & Wallis - lot 426 on 24 April 2012 (as continental silver)and marked twice 'IGL', and failed to sell. It was described as "spot hammered", which seems to have been a term used for the finish of the bowl. Another (possibly the same one) was sold by the South Australian auction room of Small & Whitfield on 19 August 2013 as lot 177. That one was described as "early Provincial...", and did sell. They didn't describe the marks but the image I saw looked to be the same marks as the W&W one. Neither auctioneer mentioned the engraved initials yours show, but neither spent much space on the lot. IP: Logged
agphile Posts: 798 Registered: Apr 2008	posted 01-23-2016 07:47 AM Sorry to be so slow in responding. I've been away and failed to find the time to reply to posts or emails. Anyhow, thanks for the information. You are clearly better than me at digging around for this sort of stuff. The sale in Australia seems to be the one I had spotted a reference to. The outing at Woolley and Wallis had passed me by even though the catalogue is on my bookshelves. I picked up a seal top spoon from that sale. I am pretty certain that this is the same piece doing the rounds and that it is a complete fantasy or fake item built round a piece of old silver of unclear original shape or purpose. I posted it here because if I am right to think that the maker's marks are fake it seems fair to alert others to the possibility that there may be other items around with this fake mark. And even if there was more than one of these sucket spoons, I still think fake. IP: Logged

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