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Bob Schulhof

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iconnumber posted 04-28-1999 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Schulhof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Collecting Russian Place Settings

Special Features

Because of the great disparity between the have and have nots in Czarist Russia pieces such as silver flatware available only to the few haves are always of historical interest. We have run across Russian spoons at various antique shows, mostly in a boring fiddle pattern. They are very well made and of good weight, and best of all with a good set of Hallmarks to Identify them. We have one piece that we got in an e-bay auction that is reputed to have been made by Karl Faberge which makes it very historic and desirable. It weighs 60 grams which is quite a bit for a 7 ¼” dessert spoon. The marks, which are on the bottom side of the bowl are shown below

The K with the Greek looking Phi indicates Faberge.

Dating

The CAS is the makers mark, the 84 is the quality which is a lower grade around .875 fine. The date is clearly spelled out here as 1869. The city symbol is for St. Petersburg. After about 1900 the dates were dropped. The Faberge piece has no date, but it does show an 84.

Pieces Shown:
Item length Our Cost
Tablespoon (fiddle) 8 ½” $50.00
Dessert Spoon (Faberge) 7 ¼” $150.00
Teaspoon (fiddle) 6 ¼” $25.00

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Key Pieces

It would appear that forks and knives are harder to find than spoons, unless we have been very unlucky.

Questions:

Does anyone have a good reference on Russian flatware? Does anyone have a complete setting they could show? What patterns were made?

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wev
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iconnumber posted 04-28-1999 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here in Southern California, a great deal of Russian silver has been showing up in the shops lately. The majority are spoons, occasionally forks, knives, and serving pieces. Most are plain fiddlebacks with rather odd proportions. Prices vary widely and most pieces show wear.
If you're planning a vacation, you can by a fat handful of 19th c. flatware for around $10 in Moscow.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 04-28-1999 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The first booklet is in English.
The second book is in Russian.

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Bob Schulhof

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iconnumber posted 05-23-1999 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Schulhof     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Update
Andrew Katz of Windham Antiques Appraisal Services (802)649-5712 did a search for me on the Faberge Pieces. They are a great source of research info and will research a piece for $15.00 (results guaranteed). He states that the ladies head with the triangle behind is a Russian National Hallmark used from 1908 to 1927.

I recently got a matching fork to the Faberge Pattern. This had the same marks plus an imperial Eagle and Faberge Spelled out. Had to pay $320 because of the better marks. Fork & Spoon shown together


These appear to be from the same set. Note how slender the fork is. Quite unique.

Complete marks are shown below. KFaberge spelled out completely in Cyrillic plus the Imperial Eagle. Also 84 with head and triangle behind. Second piece gives provenance to first, I would think. On bourgeois e-bay. What a country.

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wayne bednersh
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iconnumber posted 10-29-1999 09:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More Russian spoons may be seen at the Souvenir Spoon Museum

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Brent

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I would say, watch for fakes, especially with name pieces like Faberge or Ovchinnikov. Although I am certain that the fall of communism has driven many people to sell off their silver, there are a lot of talented metal workers in the former Soviet Union who can turn out amazing fakes, enamels in particular. I would be very leery of buying any Russian antiques over the internet, especially enamelled silver by famous makers. The plain fiddle spoons are almost certainly authentic; it's the fantastic looking ones that could be problematic.

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Patrick Vyvyan

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iconnumber posted 06-14-2003 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just for interest, here are a Faberg fish knife and fork, Moscow 1896-1907, from a Scandinavian auction three years ago:

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qryoungsf

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iconnumber posted 11-09-2004 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for qryoungsf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
where do I start researching the pieces I have? russian - thats all I know....

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