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Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 04-18-2009 03:14 PM We buy stuff and we want to get live silver. Sometimes we start thinking - but my mind does that reflect the mind of a silversmith in 1818? Don't know again my story include hard facts and possibilities... I know that you guys have some very nice pieces of silver. These tumlinge are damaged and have had a hard life. They come from Sweden and Swedish standard is 1. katfott (for silver) 2 makers mark 3. city mark and 4 year mark. but what is this only 3 marks - where is nr 4? And the other tumling also 3 marks - why? The 2 cups fit into each other like a hand in a glove unless you happen to put the wrong one into the other - then they don't match, IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 04-18-2009 03:31 PM The tumlinge are 6 cm in diameter and 3,5 cm high. Weight is 14 gram each. 28 gram in total. The 2 tumlinge is made so that one fifth into the other. Decoration is almost same. The 2 have different marks, one contain master + silver + city the other has master + silver + year. When we evaluate the 2 under one they are fully marked. But each is insufficient marked. Master is Johan Jacob Ulfsberg 1793-1824 City is Nyköping Year is N3 for 1818. Now why have he not given both tumlinge 4 marks? The engraving is worn out so I have tried to make a drawing. My guess is that it i wedding cups D=datter (daughter) S=son In the silversmiths mind a couple marrying should together form a unit - not each person but a pair. I think that in his mind "one fifth into the other" and "one don't have fully marks - both to crate a full marking" Is those symbolic gestures are right - or am i guessing again? I have not yet found the couple that was married in 1818 - but one day.... IP: Logged
agphile Posts: 798 Registered: Apr 2008	posted 04-18-2009 04:26 PM Old silver that has had a hard life but been well used, like your cups, has a charm of its own. And I like your theory about the marks. How dull it would be simply to assume that the silversmith must have made a mistake. PS In English we would probably call them tumbler cups, though strictly speaking the term should only apply to cups with round bottoms. [This message has been edited by agphile (edited 04-18-2009).] IP: Logged
Hose_dk Posts: 400 Registered: May 2008	posted 04-18-2009 05:50 PM Inded one should never accept the most reasanabel explanation. Always expect the unusual and unlikely IP: Logged

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