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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 04-29-2005 04:58 PM
  
On p.334 in my copy of Rainwater, shown in the bottom left hand column are pseudo-hallmarks for Taylor and Lawrie consisting of an eagle, then something I don't recognize, and a harp. These marks follow a paragraph regarding the import of silverplate from England but are not specifically referenced or identified. Are these indeed the T&L marks for imported silverplate? IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 05-05-2005 10:10 AM
Those three marks are in fact what are believe to be Taylor & Lawrie's own pseudo-hallmarks. As far as I know they have nothing to do with silverplate, imported or otherwise. I agree that the placement of the image in Rainwater is very confusing. The three marks, an eagle, and what I THINK is a thistle, and a harp, are the firm's marks early on, from their founding in 1837 through the 1840s. The Newark Museum owns a soup tureen with these marks along with the BAILEY & KITCHEN mark for the retailer for which they manufactured early on. We also own a set of forks with the same marks. My sense of the marks is that the Eagle symbolizes America, the thistle one of the firm's Scots ancestry, and the harp the other one's Irish ancestry. I might be wrong on the thistle, 'cause it looks like a badminton shuttlecock, but that makes no symbolic sense. IP: Logged |
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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 05-09-2005 10:37 PM
Thank you, Ulysses! Sorry, for some reason, I didn't see your reply for a few days. In any event, I now see the T&L marks on p.33 of Rainwater for pieces made for Bailey and Kitchen, so they do indeed appear to be solid silver pseudo-hallmarks. The middle mark is surely a puzzle. I figured it for a squashed blintz, but, like you, cannot associate the symbolism.  Thanks again for your enlightenment!IP: Logged |
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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 05-13-2005 03:27 PM
A follow up question on this fiddle and thread ladle that had me thinking silverplate at first. This ladle appears to be a pressed piece, as there are no file marks to be seen anywhere, whereas sometimes even in good hand-made Brit pieces I can often see residual small file marks about the thread and where the shoulders join the stem. Also the termination of the thread at the bowl really looks like machine embossing, not hand finishing. Can anyone say when T&L started using presses for fashioning their flatware? IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 05-15-2005 09:32 PM
I hadn't really pondered the question of when drop-stamped flatware starts appearing...Does anyone know when the transition to flatware using steel dies and power presses begins? I'd wager that it's not until the 1850s when steam power becomes more general across industry; but I don't know enough about the history of machinery. IP: Logged |
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nihontochicken Posts: 289 |
posted 05-16-2005 02:45 PM
I note that Rainwater in her Preface to her silver Encyclopedia indicates that factory manufacture of silverware, as opposed to work of individual silversmiths, started in about 1842 in America. But then on page xiii she reprints a description of such a factory from 1848, which article describes the fashioning of a coin silver spoon mostly by hand, not by a press. Her reprint of a description of silverplate holloware, beginning on page xiv, is from 1879. In her description of Rodgers Bros., she indicates that silverplate spoons were begun being made in 1845 by Cowles Mfg. Co., followed by Rogers Bros. in, of course, 1847. I would guess that the high volume necessary to produce profit on plated flatware would dictate machine pressing of the nickel silver base metal forms, but that's just a guess. Certainly the use of machine presses migrated to the manufacture of coin and sterling flatware by the time the complicated Kings Pattern and other such designs came into vogue, such as on my London 1860 Chas. Boynton sugar sifter. IP: Logged |
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