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JHawk

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Hi all,

My name is Joe Hawksley, I manage an antiques shop in Galway Ireland and was asked to look at a chalice from one of the provinces in Galway by the local priest. It has an inscription for 1850. There is a clear Minerva mark indicating France but I cannot identify the makers mark.

Would anyone have any ideas?

Many thanks,
Joe

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Welcome to the forum. It sounds like an interesting piece!

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would anyone have any idea about the makers mark on this - it is a chalice from Balinacourty in the west of Ireland but originally seems to be from France. There was a college for Irish priests in Paris during the penal laws so maybe something to do with it - but I can't identify the mark. Any clues gratefully accepted

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I do not know and am not an expert on French makers' marks but this one does not ring any bells. My one thought is that French makers' marks are mostly in either horizontal or vertical lozenges, with a few being in irregular shapes following the shapes of the letters and emblems. This one seems to be neither, though I suppose it could just be a poorly struck or heavily worn mark that is a part of a lozenge. The closest mark that it might be is one that I have not seen which is Traut Freres from 1912. The written description of this is "Une poignée de mains surmontée d'une étoile" which of course means a handshake surmounted by a star. I am not sure that the image in the center is a handshake or something else, but this one does have a star at the top and a letter T as a part of it.

The Minerva head in the octagonal outline would be for .950 purity silver, but it has been in use since 1838 so that is not of much help in dating it.

Hopefully someone here will be able to say for sure who this maker is.

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