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vathek

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iconnumber posted 04-02-2003 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I know that this item is Chinese silver, possibly Ming, but I really can't figure out which way it goes. Is it a footed bowl, which if so, the engraving on the underside of the broad rim wouldn't show.

Is it a candlestick?

Any ideas?



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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 04-03-2003 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a footed bowl. the smooth inside is so it could be used for food.

The main question is whether it has any real age to it. Forgeries of Chinese antiques has become a major industry there over the past 20 to 30 years, and they have studied the same books as authenticators so the forgeries coming out of there are good enough to fool most real experts.

Also, Chinese export laws for antiques are exceptionally stringent so virtually nothing very old is coming out of there. I'm not sure of the numbers on silver, but for old Chinese ceramics, bronzes and coins the common estimates I see are that perhaps 90 to 95 percent of everything on the market these days are forgeries. Iron clad provenance is a real must.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 04-04-2003 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This did come from the estate of a woman who was in China and Japan about 30 years ago, if that means anything, but it isn't a recently made thing.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 04-04-2003 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a nice looking piece, regardless. How big is it? To tell the truth, it looks to me like the lid to a jar. Is there wear around the interior of the rim, where it might have fitted over a jar top?

It appears to be decorated aound the rim with the "Eight Buddhist Treasures"

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 04-04-2003 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It measures 4.25" across and and 1.25" high.
There is no wear pattern on the edge to suggest it might have been used as a lid, tho I don't think that precludes that idea.

[This message has been edited by vathek (edited 04-04-2003).]

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 10-31-2015 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have recently found out this is a Tibetan bowl cover.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-31-2015 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now that you have said what it is, it seems to make sense.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 11-01-2015 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, searching that term will bring several of them up. Mostly used to cover tea or rice bowls I think.

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iconnumber posted 11-01-2015 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is something saved to a PDF file:

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 11-04-2015 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for posting that link Scott. I have to admit, if not for the internet I probably still wouldn't know what that item was used for or where it was from.

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