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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 09-04-2003 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have had a couple of pieces with this same device engraved on them:

Both pieces were from 1865-1870 (one was the George Sharp coffee spoon illustrated above, the other was a pair of Gorham coin salt cellars).

To read the device as a normal Victorian stacked monogram (in this case OT or TO), I had to hold the salt cellars and the spoon upside down. That is why I am starting to wonder if the design is actually the symbol for an organization. Also, because I purchased the salt cellars in Vermont and the spoon came from an eBay seller somewhere in the Midwest or west, it seems unlikely that they came from the same owner.

Has anybody else seen this logo? Any suggestions as to its meaning?

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iconnumber posted 09-04-2003 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anuh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have a reference for organization/company logos and designs? I often come across pieces that have such engraved, and so far I have found it nearly impossible to find out who they belong to.

Someone needs to research a book on logos and symbols for sure!

There used to be books available which had printed examples of the exact form of monogram lettering in different styles with the style names. I haven't seen one in years but would love to get one, as it would make it far easier to determine exactly what the monograms were in some cases.


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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 09-04-2003 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think there is such a reference for logos of different organizations. It would be thousands of pages thick. The main way I identify various logos is just by hoping somebody happens to know what it is, or knows how to look it up. For example Patrick Vyvyan recently identified for me an insignia on a stickpin that I had puzzled over for months before giving up the ghost. (I later saw that same insignia around somebody's neck in Pirates of the Caribbean). I have some turn of the century lettering & penmanship manuals that I find very helpful if I'm having trouble deciphering a monogram.

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Patrick Vyvyan

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iconnumber posted 09-29-2003 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could it possibly be a rather stylised "J Q"? Just a thought...

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iconnumber posted 09-29-2003 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If there are guides to fraternal groups, they most likely are put out as part of jewelry guides. Seems like long ago I saw a big section on them in a jewelry reference work. (Which I did not buy.) Sorry not to have more credible information.

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