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Tardi6

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iconnumber posted 02-24-2004 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tardi6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hello,

I need any info re: a collection of silver pennant-shaped one-oz.(?)There are pieces depicting airlines of 34 countries with logos for each on reverse and date they originated.

I believed they came from an estate sale approximately 20 yrs. ago. Since then they have been sitting in musty safe. Each pennant is tucked in fordable plastic pocket container.

Are there more of these pennants?
How old are they?
Are they of interest to silver collectors? Origin maybe?
Tell me what you know...
Thanks!

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 02-24-2004 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not even sure what kind of pennants these are. Do you have a picture? Sounds like some kind of "collectible" series, along the lines of Franklin Mint products.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2004 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They were produced by Franklin Mint, Inc. to be an "instant collectable". They should be in a specially fitted wood box (actually some kind of wood looking particle board).

The Franklin Mint is a private company that has for several decades mass produced "instant limited edition collectables" of all kinds. Tokens made of silver have been some of their most popular items, but they also make diecast toy cars, teddy bears, tankards, pocket knives, "faberge style" eggs, etc, etc, etc. They make prety much anything where they can take a popular theme and turn it into something where they can make a set to sell to people who will buy. They draw their "collectable ideas" from trends they see in antique collecting, newspaper headlines, anniversaries of famous events, hollywood themes, historical figures, etc.

They have a heavy advertising budget to sell the stuff at pretty high prices, but there isn't much of a secondary market since instant collectables don't actually have any connection to the concepts they portray. For example, the airline pennant tokens were never used by those airlines for anything - they were made many decades after the fact for the sole purpose of selling to collectors for a profit. Most collector's of airline memorabilia these days seek out items that have a real historical connection, such as silverware that was actually used on an airline's aircraft and is marked with the airline's logo.

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 02-25-2004 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is another Franklin Mint "collectable" that may be of interest to silverphiles. It is a 4 1/4 inch pewter statuette, entitled "The Silversmith," and was issued in 1974. It is rather nicely done.

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Tardi6

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2004 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tardi6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to Paul and Kimo for their info. I am aware of collectibles from the Franklin Mint but see no indication with these pennants they came from there. There is The Guidebook of Franklin Mint Issues by Chester L. Krause, a comprehensive source of info on their collectibles through 1982 but not published by The Franklin Mint. I'm house-bound so no library trips but may inquire of The Franklin Mint directly if you say that's where they're from. Don't their collectibles increase in value with age? These pieces were used as partial security by the owner of a gold and coin shop, along with other silver in a trade-off for silver bars needed in a hurry. I had hoped they might be of interest to somebody. Thanks again for your help.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2004 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tardi6: Did I miss a description of the marks? What does it say on the back of these?

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Tardi6

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2004 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tardi6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vathek: The pennants all have the same surface design. Looks to me like maybe adjoining worlds/continents on the lower portion with title of the airlines and established date(?) i.e., Western Airlines, April 17, 1926, United States. The reverse side has only the airline logo on it. There are 34 countries/airlines depicted. Thanks you for replying.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2004 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have the Franklin Mint book so I can't give you a citation from it, but I have seen these on occasion in the past being offered for sale as Franklin Mint items and they follow the pattern of these sets the Franklin Mint issues. If someone has the book and it says otherwise I am always happy to learn. You might take a look at Ebay to get an idea of the current secondary market for sets of 1 ounce sterling Franklin Mint tokens.

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Tardi6

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2004 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tardi6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again Kimo and to everybody else that took the time to reply. I guess I've gone as far as I can without actually attempting to sell these.

I have another question---also in this musty ol' safe is a number of silver pieces with artwork on them. Is there a name for such ingots? No collections involved, just oddball silver here and there. I'm thinking of one piece in particular that indicates "Women's Liberation" but believe me, it does not depict anything having to do with the female right to vote!

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 02-27-2004 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How old are they, are the designs sculpted by famous artists who have their work displayed in fancy art museums, are they round or rectangular, how big are they, and were they minted by government mints?

Really old ones from around the 1200s through the 1600s or 1700s are usually called jetons if they are from Europe or charms if they are from Asian countries.

Rectangular ones tend to be called plaquettes if they are smaller than 20cm or plaques if they are larger.

Ones that have a cash value on them or that say "good for" something in trade are normally called tokens.

Ones that were made as awards for something are normally called medals.

Ones that are none of the above tend to be called medallions.

During the 1800s and first half of the 1900s there were a great many medallions, medals, plaques and plaquettes made with designs done by famous artists and sculptors of the day. These are found in gold, silver, bronze or brass. Designing these was considered an art form back then and there are collectors of these.

Most of the ones made in the past 50 years or so tend to fall into the "instant collectibles" category. The ones made of silver typically are made with 1 ounce of silver and while the companies churning them out marketed them as rare collectibles with large surcharges over their melt value, once they are on the market they tend to be treated by most people as simple bullion which makes the original buyers unhappy. One never knows what people will collect or the price they will pay for something though so this is just a generalization.

For all of its problems, Ebay can be very enlightening to help you see what the actual market is for items similar to the ones you have.

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Tardi6

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iconnumber posted 02-27-2004 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tardi6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again Kimo! You're just loaded with info, aren't you? Lucky for me. I'll have to take a closer look at these loose pieces of silver with artwork on them. There's a large money bag (like banks use) of oddball pieces. The one with the woman on it just happens to be the first one that fell out. I'll try to get some details over the weekend. The owner of this stuff is deceased so I know little, if anything, about any of them.

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t-man-nc

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2004 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for t-man-nc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, A friend of mine is a coin dealer and he has a number of what I think you may be taking about.

Silver Bullion comes in sevaral sizes and shapes, 10 grams (Credit Swiss), half ounce, 1 ounce, 10 ounce 100 ounce, and in Rounds, Rectangles, Blocks you name it.

There are large number of One Troy Silver (FINE) Bars. These are created for just about every notable occurance of anything that catches the public eye. Most have an intrensic value of the spot market as bullion, but a number of older ones could have a collectable value as well. I would suggest that you contact a local dealer to look at your collection and tell you their value, or send pictures to some of the firms that purchase these type of collectables (Coin Dealers).

The only other suggestion I can think of is that you may want to contact an independent apprasier through one of the national apprasial organizations.

We generally don't do any appraisals or valuations on this site.

I hope this helps...

"Smaug"

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Tardi6

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2004 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tardi6     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to t-man-nc for info of 3-12-04. I've gotten sidetracked and really need to go through this silver thoroughly. Kinda draggin' my heels with it. Quite frankly, would like to get rid of all of it but have further researching to do. Thanks again!

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