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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 11-04-2005 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I am thinking of asking Santa for a new digital camera. I want one that takes good quality photos in general and also silver close-ups. My current one does not let me turn off the flash, which is why I have problems with reflections from the silver.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom

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wev
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iconnumber posted 11-04-2005 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been very pleased with my Panasonic DMC-FZ20. It has 5 MP; 12x optical zoom, a lovely large Leica lens and a large LED screen. It has a big body by today's standards, but I have large hands and find it very comfortable to use. The macro mode is first class, as is the motion stabilizer. I haven't seen anything as good for the price.

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Russell

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iconnumber posted 11-04-2005 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tom,

I have the Nikon D70S and its great. Some digital still cameras do not have a manual mode, which lets you shut down the flash if you don't want it. Some of the Nikon Coolpix cameras are good too and probably less expensive.

If you want to "grow" into your camera, rather than grow "out of it" get one that takes interchangeable lenses. You can get a macro/micro that will focus down to a few inches.

I also have Paint Shop Pro and Adobe Photoshop. The photos I post here are very nice but ridiculously large, so I'm experimenting with making them smaller.

Russell

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 11-04-2005 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Panasonic is a great camera. I like the Nikon DSLRs, but have been a bit disappointed with some of their less expensive cameras. I had a student get a new Canon this summer, and he was really pleased with it. Personally I use Olympus digitals, currently mostly a C-7070, which I consider a great camera. It's a wide-angle zoom, and I use both the telephoto and wide angle attachment lenses as well. The tele attachment is nice for detail photos, since it lets you zoom in on the mark (for example) while keeping the camera far enough back that it doesn't interfere with your lighting set-up. Then I just crop down from the 7-MP photo to the part I need. The extra-wide attachment (equivalent to about a 17mm lens on a 35mm camera) isn't so useful for object shots, but is amazing for other kinds of works like indoor shots of people and spaces.

And I'd consider Photoshop or some equivalent essential. I find Photoshop's resizing algorithms to be better than most. With a modern digital, you'll have to reduce every shot to post online -- but done well you'll get really good quality!

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IJP

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iconnumber posted 11-04-2005 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IJP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are already several lengthy posts about this. Technology being fleeting as it is, of course, the suggestions made by members there may be obsolete, but they're worth checking out. Try pictures - cameras - magnification or Digital Cameras or Photography or Digital Cameras and Photographing Hallmarks.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 11-04-2005 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I brought an Olympus C-7000 Zoom last Christmas as I wanted something to get into the digital age. This camera has a macro and super macro setting that are easy to use. For the limited use I make of it (mostly pictures for this web site) it seems to do an adequate job without much time spent on set up time or downloading time. The first 35 mm camera I brought some years ago was an Olympus and that is most likely why I brought another Olympus.

I saw a presentation recently by a professional photographer of pictures he had taken of plants, flowers, various insects and butterflies in the botanical garden of our city. He used a digital Nikon camera and Adobe Photoshop software. The results were astonishing - flowers that were not there in real life magically appeared in his photos, colors were enhanced and intensified, and close up pictures showed amazing detail. Some of this was done by his camera, but a lot was accomplished by his skillful use of software to alter what the naked eye would actually see.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 11-05-2005 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tom!

FWIW Although I am digitally dumb I have several friends that I spoke with re a good camera. If it is great close-up's (such as marks that are difficult to see) that you need to get they recommend the Sony Mavica MVC FD-73, apparently the macro feature is super.

Though not "new" it is their camera of choice. I must also add that when I attend the NYC Triple Pier Show I see those cameras in many of the dealers booths.

Good luck with whatever choice you make. I hope Santa finds you what you need!

Stay safe. Jersey

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 11-07-2005 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Digital camera technology moves fast in this business, so whatever is current now will be obsolete in 6 months. The choice of a camera is a personal one, and opinions will perforce differ, and older cameras can of course do the job, but not as easily. For long telephotos -- and paradoxically for close-ups -- one feature, image stabilization, is essential, especially if one wants to take hand-held shots without having to go to the trouble of setting up a copy stand for rigidity, for only one or two pictures.

Below are two shots of a tiny mark (from a previous thread) taken with digital single lens reflexes fitted with similar macro lenses, one with image stabilization and one without, which will serve to illustrate the point.

The reason that telephoto and macro photography both benefit from image stabilization is that camera movement as well as image size is magnified - the greater the magnification, the greater the apparent movement, which results in blurring of the image. Macro photography has benefited from the requirements of telephoto photography, in that image stabilization was developed for long lenses, so it is not surprising that "super zoom" cameras can have super macro performance too.

Sony was the first to utilize this technology (my old 14X FD91 is still quite useable for small images, but lacks the higher resolutions now available for larger images), but abandoned it along with the super zooms which were too expensive and did not sell well at the time -- they are now reintroducing it. Single lens reflexes (such as Cannon and Nikon offered IS, but built into the lens, so that it was necessary in each lens and at the same time required new lens mounts so that they obsoleted all their old lenses. Recently Minolta (now Konica Minolta) pioneered IS integrated into the body, so that all their old lenses can be used, as well as third party lenses. The Maxxum 7D was the first, and an award winning "photographer's camera," allowing a seamless transition to digital photography for film SLR users but proved too complicated for beginners. This has been followed by a 5D, smaller, lighter, and simpler, after the fashion of amateur digital cameras.

This technology has been incorporated by Minolta in cameras with built-in lenses, and increasingly by other manufacturers. Predictably, those with the best macro performance are those with the longest lenses. Panasonic and Minolta are the leaders in this area right now, having gone through a series of cameras culminating in the compact, light weight 5 megapixel Konica Minolta DiMage Z5 and the Panasonic Lumix DMC FZ5. You can read excellent reviews of these (and other) cameras (including wev's FZ-20) on this site. I saw some images taken by a friend's Minolta Z5 a couple of days ago (both macro and telephoto), and was very impressed. The principal differences I see in these two are that the Minolta has a "super macro" function (which gets even closer that the regular macro setting) and the lens is threaded so that additional supplementary lenses can be added for even grated magnification (no such threads are evident on the Pansonics, at least in the photos, but there may be an adapter available). The Minolta sells for about $100 less. If you are interested in either of these (or any other) try to find a camera store which sells them so that you can handle and compare (always a good idea if one is not particularly camera savvy) and make up your own mind (you can't always believe everything a salesman tells you).

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wev
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iconnumber posted 11-07-2005 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Panasonic has a removable lens cover that is threaded for adding +powers, filters, and special effect lenses (not available from Panasonic, but by 3rd party makers).

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 11-07-2005 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I concur with the importance of handling a camera before buying -- it's the only way to know if it feels 'right' to you. Regardless of 'objective' quality, if a camera doesn't work and feel right in your hands it won't work at its best. Every set of hands, eyes, and experience is unique, and the best camera for each will vary.

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 11-12-2005 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi guys..

Really neat discussion.. The image stabalization process has been around for years on the motion picture cameras, and it is nice to see that it has moved down to digital still photo cameras.

I am also in the market for a general use digital. My Sony Mavica FD 73 has been good for ebay photos, but I really can't get a non grainy enlargement bigger than 4" by 5". I have been using my Nikon equipment for anything I need printed larger.

But.. the digital (instant and cheap) is the wave of the future. And.. it saves silver that can be used to make the things we love... Toast racks!

Thanks as always..

Marc

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 11-12-2005 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To throw another factor in. Have you considered a traditional FILM based SLR and having the film put onto disc ? I use all my old SLR kit, with proper interchangeable lenses, including a serious 1:1 Macro 100 mm lens . As long as your photoshop will give you a large enough image quality is well up to the best of digital.

As an ex-professional ship photographer I love digital for the editing abilities, but have seen enough of digital cameras to realize that they are not quite there yet !
In UK developing a 36 exposure colour negative film and transferring to a CD costs me USD 10.

The only thing to watch is image quality on the format. I immediately turn all worthwhile JPEGs to TIFF and keep as archive . With JPEG several changes and re-saving to file can degrade the image .With TIFF its usually your fault !

Also for Close up work you do need to be able to work at the telephoto end of the lens, not, as so often happens with digital cameras , at the wide end. At the telephoto end you can get lighting in easily - I find the equivalent of 100mm on 35mm to be about right. This is even more of a problem if you need real magnification with the lens on extension tubes or bellows.

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