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FWG

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2006 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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As promised, here's a piece that appears to be marked with a 1000 -- although it's very hard to make out, and could well be something else. The other mark is N B, in individual shields.

It's a vase, of unusual form, measuring just over 7 inches high (18.2 cm), and 9.4 cm across the top (about 3-3/4 inches). The top is castellated, and there are three swooping buttress-like pieces that connect to the feet.

The design is rather futuristic, but the surface treatment is ... different. It combines a high polish in some areas with that stippled surface one sees most often on Russian silver. Then there is lots of hand-engraving, forming a motif that's sort of like abstracted leaves.

All in all, it's really a rather odd piece, but I've come to be quite fond of it. I thought at first it might be Italian because of the overall design, but the marks don't seem right for that, nor does the surface treatment. Then I thought maybe Japanese. It's probably something obvious that I'm overlooking, and I hope someone can tell me. It's assembled from at least 24 component pieces -- possibly more -- plus all that hand work in the finishing; someone put an amazing amount of effort into it, and they deserve to be recognized.


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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2006 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Buck Rodgers deco meets a fall day... I do not think it is 1000. Try getting a strong directional light and casting a bit of a shadow and using a loop. A very very gentle rub just with your finger may make the top of the letters stand out?

I like the original design, any thing well made that does not come out of the standard patterns is always fresh, even if not to ones personal taste.

[This message has been edited by agleopar (edited 03-11-2006).]

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2006 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks almost like a rocket launching.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2006 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi FWG!

Somewhere in the back of this muddled mine of mine I recall this "style" of vase having a specific name, that too may help tracking it. If it comes to me I'll let you know, but I'll bet a Mardi Gras coin (kidding) one of our members will come up with it.

Bon Nuit!
Jersey

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Raf Steel

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2006 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raf Steel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice piece: could the alloy be "800M"?

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2006 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Were this a ceramic, I would suspect a Czech origin. Were it glass, probably French. Silver, I don't know.

My other thought is that it started life as a lamp base, probably in brass. At some point it was plated. This would explain the mark: it is not part of the silver world but a later addition. Just idle speculation.

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2006 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope, it's solid silver, and the base is clearly integral and original to the piece -- the mark's right in the middle of the base.

It's just conceivable that the mark is 800M, inverted relative to the N B. Incident light doesn't really help, I'm afraid, and I've tried a variety of gentle polishing, darkening, etc. trying to make it more evident, with little success.

This is probably my last before taking off for two weeks, will check back then. In the meantime, thanks for all the suggestions!

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2006 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whatever it is, it's charming.

(I know, that wasn't a very useful comment.)

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2006 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Try rubbing with pencil or charcoal on tissue paper?

Tom

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2006 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raf, just curious what is 800M? I understand the 800... Thanks

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2006 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could this possibly be silver plate? The NB marks look like marks found on electroplate. "Nickel Base," maybe.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2006 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My vivid imagination reads the top mark as EPNS....

Fred

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2006 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My vivid imagination reads the NB as nickle bright or nickle base.

Also, my imagination sees a lamp font going into the top. Not a wired lamp, but a spirit or kerosene font. The shape looks very much like a banquet lamp, small version.

This is a totally great piece.

There were, and probably still are, lamp shops that assemble lamps to order. I have been in such places. They work with the decorator and come up with a sort of idea. Then they take pieces and parts, solder them together and make the lamp. Which produces a field with very many unique items.

These shops are also set up for brass, copper, bronze, chrome, gold and silver plating the finished item. Silverplated lamps are not very common, but do exist.

Need to lay down now before my imagination totally runs wild.

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Raf Steel

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2006 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raf Steel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In response on agleopar:

What is "800M"? Many European makers use this abbreviation for 800/1000; the M standing for "Mille" in French or a reference to the Latin number. Sometimes you will see "800/Mill" (with one or to ll's). What does it mean? Well, for starters this mark wasn't used in France, but was sometimes used in French speaking countries, silversmiths exporting to France, in Italy (for export) and Eastern Europe. The curious thing is that the makers mark on this interesting piece are "English" in style, so we have a bit of a puzzle on our hands. Does anyone agrees it resembles those drinking beakers in glass without a foot?

I am thinking that it could be an American maker of European origin, made somewhere in the 1930's?

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2006 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be at home in a Charlie Chan movie of the 30s with Warner Oland. Great period piece.

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2006 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a picture of a very similar shaped vase in one of my antiques picture books except it is pewter with glass. They call it a Liberty Bomb Vase circa 1905 by Knox. If you type in Liberty Bomb Vase into Google you will see quite a few similar pieces. Some solid metal and some mixed.

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 03-16-2006 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reference to Liberty's and to Archibald Knox places it exactly. Not my period but a very interesting object indeed.

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