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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-12-2005 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The following is from a circa 1890 Gorham catalogue.

With these we can do both The Challenge and The Whatzit? games.

  • Whatzit? - Do you know what these are?
    As usual those of you know the correct answer please first give those who would like to guess a chance.

  • The Challenge - Can you post a photo of the real thing?

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-12-2005 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps no one is guessing because these are known by all? Or is everyone stumped? Or are you politely giving everyone else a chance to be first? wink

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salmoned

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iconnumber posted 12-12-2005 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for salmoned     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Desk and pocket stamp wetters? Or mole holders?

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 12-12-2005 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, the top one looks like a tissue box cover, but A) they didn't exist in 1890, and B) judging from the detail, it's something much smaller. I'd guess maybe a chain slide, but if that's it I didn't know they were marketed separately from the chain.

The bottom one looks simply like a locket, but again I suspect the scale is something much smaller than the typical locket. But unless it's for moles/patches, as salmoned suggested, I don't have a guess.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-12-2005 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hint:

They all have the same purpose.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-12-2005 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hint:

The square is aprox. 25 x 25x 25mm

They are still made and sold today (in sterling & silverplate). I have seen them in the US and UK.

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it's quite obvious that these are thingamabobbers.

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Waylander

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Waylander     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being a bit of a snooker tragic, I can't help thinking that the top items are "chalk holders" (for want of a better phrase) for snooker and billiard cues.

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are the top ones for holding hair? When a woman brushed her hair and cleaned the brush afterwards she could put the hair in the box through hole in the top and thus save it? Are the bottom ones lockets for holding hair and seeing it through little glass or rock crystal windows in the middle of them? In Victorian times a curl or maybe a braided design made with hair was a common keepsake to give someone so I am thinking these may be something along these lines.

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Initial thought was coin holders, can't say I've seen square ones, but that's my guess anyway.

Cheryl ;o)

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I go with the chalk holder idea.

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, I think the Aussies might be right! The square ones are definitely the right size for cue chalk. The others used as watch fobs? If so, would there be a manufactured disk of chalk to fit or would you have to shape your own?

Cheryl ;o)

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think it is time for those who are certain to voice their opinion. biggrin

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chalk Boxes.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi! Here's my 2 cents. Charms.
Jersey

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess is that these are for knotting scarves (scarfs?). The scarf fabric is pushed through the hole and makes a join sort of like with bolo ties. Anyway, I suspect fabric.

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I think KIMO is right with the hair catcher idea for the boxes with holes and the lockets are for holding the woven hair. I believe that there was a cottage industry of weavers for this purpose.

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Other than size considerations I think all of the answers were great.

Chalk Boxes is what they are. I believe the lowers two most likely didn’t sell well as fobs ... you know what a pain chalk dust is on your suite. eek

Here is a contemporary example:

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iconnumber posted 12-13-2005 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really neat item! Let's play! Eight ball in the side pocket!

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