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bascall

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2008 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[01-2636]

Many will be familiar with much of this information, but for anyone that uses city directories, it seems pretty interesting anyway. Effective Use of City Directories

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2008 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Scott. You "hone" these things perfectly.

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 04-01-2008 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great article - I wish some one would do a similar piece on English directories.

Directories can be very useful.

When I was doing some research at Windsor Castle , the archivist produced the petition of the London buckle makers to the Prince of Wale (later George IV) of 1792.I had not even imagined that it still existed. No-one had examined it since it had been catalogued!

It soon became obvious that it was not the popular petition of small buckle makers, but a concerted effort of the great and good of the silver buckle trade to lobby support.

Many of the signatures were readable and recognizable as the top silver buckle makers of the day, but many were not.

Getting back home, with the aid of "The Universal British Directory of 1791" on CD I was able to unravel some of the other names.

Then a pattern emerged. It became obvious that the names had been signed in street order and you could follow the path of the guy collecting the names. This made identification far more certain some of the "dubious" attributions.

A surprise was at the end. The last four signatures were readable but of names unknown to me. Knowing the likely location I finally identified two of them - totally unrelated trades. The collector had obviously reached the end of his list, had had room for four more signatures on his sheet, and just went into four establishments at random to complete his page! Human nature does not change.

A caveat on English Directories. Certainly before 1830 they did not list everyone. I think perhaps that you had to pay to get listed, and certainly many of the more up market silversmiths either refused to pay, requested anonymity, or were perhaps missed.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 04-01-2008 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clive, that's a fascinating story.

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 04-02-2008 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Polly.

Try this one - happened at another archive some years ago

    ME- "Can you find XYZ123 please"
    ARCHIVIST - "I'm sorry it's marked EBM"
    ME - "What's EBM"
    ARCHIVIST - " Eaten by Mice"



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iconnumber posted 04-02-2008 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clive,

Thank you for your comments about the directory information. There are several write ups around about this subject, but this one seemed to be the best. It would be fantastic to be able to do research at Windsor Castle. We've been there sight seeing a few times, but a little behind the scenes view of the castle would be fantastic. Happily we were there before Queen Elizabeth II's declaration of the "Annus Horriblilis."

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 04-02-2008 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The archive at Windsor is actually at the top of the Round Tower that dominates the castle . Inside the tower is a steel structure that supports, inter alia, the archives. Started by George IV virtually all the staff since his time have been female, including the head. The views are amazing - of Windsor I mean.

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EBM = Eaten By Mice! Wow!

Somewhat off topic, I had an after-school job in high school working as a page in the stacks at the main research branch of the NY Public Library. On really slow days they used to have us comb the shelves for misshelved books. I found one once and brought it to my supervisor, who gave a little smile and said, "Come with me, Polly." He strode down the aisles to the press where the book was supposed to be. There was a block of wood in its place with a label saying how long the book had been missing--I think it was about forty years. The look of satisfaction on Mr. K's face when he put the lost book back where it belonged!

The really rare & valuable items were kept in special rooms where we pages never went, but the less valuable of the rare items, the ones in the general collection, were kept in presses in a locked, fenced-off area. So were the materials with content deemed unsuitable for children. If we got a call slip for a rare item we would ask a supervisor for the key to the rare book area (I forget what it was called), but only pages over 18 could get the key to the "porn cage."

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 04-04-2008 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another great story Polly. In particular, to be a page in a library seems rather appropriate!

Interesting usage of the word "page". In England currently it can be used as a verb, to summon, but as a noun it implies a male. Or has the name Polly different usage in the US?

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iconnumber posted 04-04-2008 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The library pages were students who ran around the library fetching the books you requested, reshelving the one you were done with, and waking up the homeless person dozing in the Main Reading Room if he snored loudly enough to disturb the other patrons; some of us were boys and some were girls. Perhaps the word comes from the pages who apprenticed to knights and squires, which would explain why you think of pages as male? I doubt it refers to the pages in a book, though of course we did make lots of jokes about that.

Sorry to have gone off topic for so long.

Still giggling about EBM.

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