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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 12-27-2008 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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While polishing a Porter Blanchard sauce boat yesterday, I noticed a green discoloration on the underside of the base in two places -- where the base is joined to the bowl of the boat, and on the inside of the foot. It doesn't have the blue-green color of copper; it's more the yellow-green color of pond scum. I assume this is soldering. I've seen this sort of thing before but it's never occurred to me to ask if it's problematic and if something should be done to treat it. Does anyone know?

I'm attaching a photo -- you might be able to see it at the right edge.

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argentum1

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iconnumber posted 12-27-2008 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Flux is a medium used to allow solder to flow. Without it the heat used to make the joining surfaces hot enough to allow the solder to melt would cause oxidation of the copper/silver alloy and the solder would not stick. With acid being a component of the flux the copper in the silver sometimes reacts with the acid to form copper sulphate. Keep in mind that not all fluxes have acid in them. The primary purpose is the prevention of a layer of oxidation that would interfere with the solder sticking to the metal. I would think that this occurs if the seam was not adequately neutralized ph wise. Also some of the older polishing compounds were acidic and this could be a possible cause also. In days done gone by flux was Borax. When heat is applied the borax compound melts forming an air free zone between the borax and the silver. No acid in borax so no lime green discoloration.

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FredZ

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I doubt if the substance is flux residue since the piece would have been pickled in an acid bath to remove flux and oxides on the silver after soldering. I would wash it well and perhaps use a solvent on those scummy areas.

Let us know how it works.

Best,
Fred

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seaduck

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iconnumber posted 12-28-2008 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to you both -- I've learned something!

The piece has been washed and polished with Wright's Silver Cream. Fred -- what sort of solvent would you suggest? And, being of a conservative mind when it comes to conservation (so to speak), I wonder if there's a possible downside to using a solvent. Or, to put it another way, is there a downside to leaving this as is?

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