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GungaDin12345

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iconnumber posted 05-24-2006 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GungaDin12345     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I keep most of my silver stored in a pine strongbox; wrapped in clean well-used cotton towels and socks. Does anyone know if pine emits fumes that are harmful to silver?

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doc

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iconnumber posted 05-24-2006 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pine does emit oils that could possibly encourage tarnishing. I don't know whether the pine box you are using is of any value, but one suggestion I have seen is to use polyurethane on the interior of the box to seal the wood. Also, you may want to consider investing in some anti-tarnish fabric to line the box.

Also, one should not use elastic bands to hold cloths in place around the silver, as they emit chemicals that create tarnish. I can't tell you how frustrated I get with sellers who put elastic bands (or worse, twist ties with metal interiors) around silverware!

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GungaDin12345

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iconnumber posted 05-25-2006 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GungaDin12345     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, doc. The pine box is not valuable. I could varnish the inside once I get the blasted cast off my broken ankle. Also, the tarnish-discouraging cloth sounds like a very good idea. I would prefer to leave my collection out where I can see it, but my extremely playful cat likes to leap through my shelves and send my silver flying onto the floor to be dented. Repairs can get to be quite expensive, considering how much my cat likes to get airborne!

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 05-25-2006 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi GungaDin!
Pacific cloth bags is what is used to store silver in. It is carried by most Department and/or jewelry stores. The other obvious thought is to get a silverware box that is usually lined with pacific cloth. They have both large & small ones. You could put it in a glass china cabinet & leave it open for display.
Hope this helps!
Jersey

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venus

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iconnumber posted 05-25-2006 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great idea Jersey.... I know one fabric that causes silver to tarnish is wool. Well I don't know it from experience, but one silver site said it would.

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Clive E Taylor

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iconnumber posted 05-25-2006 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Clive E Taylor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another item that will tarnish silver is paper, especially newsprint. Acid free tissue paper is OK , but keeping silver in newsprint for any lenght of time is not a good idea.
Has anyone experience with these anti-tarnish material ? Do they work, how long does one last and could they do damage to either silver or iron/steel (buckles usually have ferrous bits to them !)

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 05-25-2006 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pacific Silver Cloth, available in the US, can be gotten by the yard in fabric stores. It is impregnated with silver particles, and the theory is that those will tarnish first, using up the oxygen before it can oxidize the silver. Common opinions notwithstanding, it is sulfur in the atmosphere that is the most efective in darkening the silver. The cloth turns dark when the silver is exhausted. It is effective if the silver is wrapped in it; less so as a drawer liner, depending on the nature of the type of cabinet wood and how airtight the cabinet is, how often it is opened, etc. Silver kept in an oak cabinet will tarnish, even in lined drawers; that in a hardwood cabinet (other than oak) will not (at least not rapidly), even without the cloth. The cloth is expensive, and in my experience, not worth the cost as a liner.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 05-25-2006 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow!
I have never bought Pacific cloth in a store although I know that is where one can get it. I was unaware that it was costly. I have usually picked them up at yard sales for pennies. Now I know how lucky I am. In fact I recently picked up a bunch of flatware keepers that were being tossed in the trash with the makers names the likes of Bailey Banks & Biddle, Cartier, Tiffany, & Gorham on them. Now I know, How lucky can you get! Thank you. I'll look for more.
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FWG

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iconnumber posted 05-26-2006 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Silver buyers are often good sources for surplus silver wraps and bags. I've sometimes been given them free, other times bought for a small charge. Antique dealers in general are also worth asking; if you have a good working relationship they'll often set them aside for you.

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iconnumber posted 05-26-2006 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another thought about silver cloth - the store should keep the bolt wrapped - if left out on a shelf or table, and therefore exposed to air, it can lose some or all of its ability to sequester sulfur or any other darkening substances it might absorb.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 05-26-2006 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ordinary white chalk also helps. Put a piece or two in the box. Chalk is sort of a sulfur sink.

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venus

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iconnumber posted 05-26-2006 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorta off the subject of pine boxes, but maybe not toooo far. Anyhow, anyone besides me notice all the empty flatware chests that can be gotten? What in the heck happened to the flatware inside? I keep collecting them to put my silverware in, when I can gather up enough of any one pattern to do so. Have found one or two really nice ones, that have been abandoned.

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GungaDin12345

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iconnumber posted 05-27-2006 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GungaDin12345     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the owners of the flatware are new heirs who don't realize the value of what they have and are selling it off as scrap to be melted, or they're selling it off piece by piece on auction sites. I have heard that at the moment domestic/social silver is out of style with the average noncollecting person regardless of income.
I want to thank you all for the excellent suggestions about the Pacific cloth and the chalk. I will use both for my storage.

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