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chase33 Posts: 362 Registered: Feb 2008	posted 05-30-2010 12:14 AM To All Members: A recent discussion (it got a little "heated" lol) over dinner led to this question that I thought was intersting enough to see what others thought: What pattern (excluding special order or one-off patterns) do you consider to be the most over-the-top, ornate pattern(s) ever made? The first one that I thought of was Francis First. Any thoughts? Robert [This message has been edited by chase33 (edited 05-30-2010).] IP: Logged
dragonflywink Posts: 993 Registered: Dec 2002	posted 05-30-2010 06:24 AM I've always found the multi-motif classical-scene type patterns "over-the-top", like Tiffany's Olympian, Gorham's Mythologique and Versailles, and the one that always strikes me as just a bit too much - Dominick & Haff's Labors of Cupid. I like them in small doses, but full sets seem so overwhelming..... ~Cheryl IP: Logged
DB Posts: 252 Registered: May 2006	posted 05-30-2010 10:37 AM Same goes for Bacchanalian and Deerhunt - but I would love to own a set of either one IP: Logged
chase33 Posts: 362 Registered: Feb 2008	posted 05-30-2010 11:33 AM Nice selections. We didn't think about patterns that far back. I forgot to add that others had put forth Love Disarmed, Sir Christopher, Grand Eloquence and Grand Baroque (or as my guest called it Grand Bar-b-que!) and one general consensus was anything that began with the word Grand (or Grande). [This message has been edited by chase33 (edited 05-30-2010).] IP: Logged
Polly Posts: 1970 Registered: Nov 2004	posted 05-30-2010 12:20 PM Not all Grand patterns are over the top. My grandmother's pattern, Grand Colonial, is relatively clean and simple. IP: Logged
chase33 Posts: 362 Registered: Feb 2008	posted 05-30-2010 12:58 PM Hi Polly, You are right. I don't recall having seen Grand Colonial before so I had to go look it up. You found probably the one exception to the "Grand" Rule! Robert [This message has been edited by chase33 (edited 05-30-2010).] IP: Logged
taloncrest Posts: 169 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 05-30-2010 10:25 PM I was going to nominate Kirk Repousse et. al. because many years ago a co-worker called my recent acquisition, a set of Alvin Bridal Bouquet teaspoons, "over the top", but reflecting on it, I nominate the three patterns you brought up in another thread, Kirk-Stieff Silver and Gem Patterns. IP: Logged
jersey Posts: 1203 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 05-30-2010 10:44 PM Coligni by Gorham. Jersey IP: Logged
chase33 Posts: 362 Registered: Feb 2008	posted 05-30-2010 11:13 PM Actually, since you menitioned it those three Kirk patterns were the ones that started the discussion and everyone was surprised since they had never heard/seen any of them. The repousse patterns in all of their various incarnations were also a frequent mention. The one that surprised me was Rubaiyat by Oneida that one person received as a wedding gift. Most of the guests were non-silver collectors but they know that dinner at my house will eventually turn to at least a small discussion of silver LOL. IP: Logged
blakstone Posts: 493 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 05-31-2010 12:23 AM Having had the duty recently to catalogue for auction (i.e. sort, count, measure & weigh) a six hundred and fifty-one piece set of it, my vote goes to Gorham's Versailles . . . for now. (It took me over five hours, btw, and the final sale price was $27,000: rather a bargain, considering.) IP: Logged
chase33 Posts: 362 Registered: Feb 2008	posted 05-31-2010 02:29 AM 651? Ok you have to give a breakdown of the pieces. It must have been a pretty impressive set! Was it purchased at one time or was it from a collector? IP: Logged
blakstone Posts: 493 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 05-31-2010 02:06 PM It was from the estate of a prominent Houston, Texas real estate agent, who evidently had assembled it over decades. He loved to entertain, and several attendees at the auction remembered lavish dinners where it was used. The breakdown: forty-nine dinner forks, l. 7-1/2” fifty-two luncheon forks, l. 6-3/4” eleven old-style salad forks, l. 6-3/4” ten new-style salad forks, l. 6-1/4” forty-five seafood/cocktail forks, l. 5-3/4” six terrapin forks, l. 5-1/2” fifteen ice cream forks, l. 4-7/8” twenty pastry forks, l. 6” six strawberry forks, l. 5-3/4” seventy teaspoons, l. 5-3/4” twenty-two tablespoons, l. 8-3/8” ten iced tea spoons, l. 7-1/2” seventeen place spoons, l. 7” six dessert spoons, l. 7-1/2” thirty-six bouillon spoons, l. 4-7/8” seven citrus spoons, l. 5-3/4” thirteen five-o'clock spoons, l. 5” twenty demitasse spoons with gilt bowls, l. 4-1/4” twenty demitasse spoons with plain bowls, l. 4-1/4” six sorbet spoons, l. 5-3/4” twelve ice cream spoons with gilt bowls, l. 5-1/8” four ice cream spoons with plain bowls, l. 5-1/8” six gumbo spoons, l. 7” ten cream soup spoons, l. 6-3/4” three cold soup spoons, l. 6-1/4” five salt spoons with gilt bowls, l. 3-1/2” four fruit knives with stainless steel blades, "Old French"-shaped, l. 7-1/2” one fruit knife with stainless steel blade, "Blunt"-shaped, l. 7-3/4” six luncheon knives with stainless steel blades, "Blunt"-shaped, l. 8-1/2” twenty-four dinner knives with stainless steel blades, "Blunt"-shaped, l. 9-7/8” seven dinner knives with stainless steel blades, "Old French"-shaped, l. 9-1/2” twenty-four dinner knives with stainless steel blades, "New French"-shaped, l. 9-3/4” thirty-seven flat butter spreaders, l. 6-3/4” eight fish forks, l. 6-3/4” six flat fish knives, l. 7-7/8” three flat tea/youth knives, l. 7-3/8” three youth forks, l. 6” one large three-piece carving set with steel fittings including a carving fork, l. 10-7/8”, a carving knife, l. 13-1/4” and a sharpening steel, l. 13” one small two-piece carving set with steel fittings including a carving fork, l. 9-1/4”, and a carving knife, l. 10” three serving forks, l. 8” one berry/casserole spoon, l. 8-7/8” one large serving spoon with gilt shell bowl, l. 9-1/8” two medium serving spoons with gilt shell bowls, l. 8-7/8” two sugar spoons, l. 9-1/8” one pickle fork, l. 6” one asparagus server, l. 9-1/4” two cheese scoops, l. 8-1/4” one tomato server, l. 7-5/8” one butter pick, l. 6-1/4” one master butter knife, l. 7-1/2” one sauce ladle with gilt bowl, l. 6-3/4” two sauce ladles with plain bowls, l. 6-3/4” two punch/soup ladles, l. 12-1/2” one crumber, l. 12-5/8” one cream ladle with gilt bowl, l. 5-3/4” one cream ladle with lipped rim, l. 5-3/4” a large two-piece salad serving set with sterling bowls, l. 10-7/8” a small two-piece salad serving set with stainless bowls, l. 8-3/8” a two-piece salad serving set with plastic bowls, l. 11-1/2” one salad serving fork with wood tines, l. 10-3/4” two pierced serving spoons, l. 8-3/8” one vegetable serving fork, l. 8-3/8” one cake knife with stainless steel blade, l. 10” one pie server with stainless steel blade, l. 10-3/4” one pap spoon with gilt bowl, l. 5-3/4” one sugar sifter with gilt bowl, l. 5-1/8” two bon-bon spoons with gilt bowls, l. 4-5/8” one pair of bow-style sugar tongs, l. 4” one pair of bow-style five-o'clock sugar tongs, l. 3-3/4” 201 pieces with various monograms 759.09 total t. oz. (excluding pieces with stainless, plastic or wood fittings); I should mention that also from the same estate was a “straight” seventy-two piece set of the same pattern, completely gilded, with six each of the following: dinner forks, salad/dessert forks, seafood/cocktail forks, ice cream forks, place spoons, bouillon spoons, demitasse spoons, sorbet spoons, gumbo spoons, dessert knives, dinner knives and butter spreaders, each piece monogrammed "MNE" underneath a crest of a pelican in her piety, 70.59 total t. oz. (excluding the knives). IP: Logged
dragonflywink Posts: 993 Registered: Dec 2002	posted 05-31-2010 04:37 PM Oh my - all that and a gilt service for 6, the mind boggles.....I'm curious about the china patterns he used with masses of such an ornate and busy silver pattern (simple, I hope). Regarding the Repousse-type patterns, have never found them really over-the-top, their shape is simple - my Mom uses them along with some figural floral pieces to coordinate with her relatively modern Towle Candlelight. Now Reed & Bartons' Les Six Fleurs always strikes me as an overdone mass of flowers, Les Cinq Fleurs is a much more pleasing pattern to my eye, though not really one of my favorites either. ~Cheryl [This message has been edited by dragonflywink (edited 05-31-2010).] IP: Logged
chase33 Posts: 362 Registered: Feb 2008	posted 06-01-2010 12:41 AM Wow a full gilded set must have been a sight to behold! Don't think I have ever seen even one piece fully gilded. IP: Logged
chase33 Posts: 362 Registered: Feb 2008	posted 06-21-2010 11:16 PM I think I have found a new one to add: Crown Baroque esp the Gold Crown Baroque! IP: Logged

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