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cj jones

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iconnumber posted 02-05-2007 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cj jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can anyone tell me what this was used for..it is 3 5/8" long, marked sterling on the top lip of the bottom pc; the top has a hand engrave deco monogram..also would appreciate if you could tell me a time frame when used.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 02-05-2007 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you please post some clearer photos, including some closeups of the markings and engravings?

My first thought from these fuzzy photos is the holes in the top look to be pretty crudely placed - which makes me wonder whether they were put there by a professional.

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cj jones

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iconnumber posted 02-05-2007 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cj jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kimo..the holes are in the bottom..I can post the engraved top but it may be tomorrow before I can post clearer & the sterling mark -- our sun goes down early out here...another one showing the top will be posted soon..thnx cj

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cj jones

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iconnumber posted 02-05-2007 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cj jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kimo..this is the top..does this help in any way?

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cj jones

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iconnumber posted 02-05-2007 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cj jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kimo..I hope this helps...let me know & thnx cj


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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2007 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do the holes on the bottom go all the way through? It is possible that there was something attached to the bottom of this at some point since those holes are not done in a craftsman-like manner and do not appear as if they were meant to be seen. One guess is there might have been a striker attached there and it was used for matches?

I am not convinced that the design on the top is deco. It seems simpler than deco and has a feel of being more of a teens or twenties industrial design to my eye.

Its too bad there is no maker's marking on it, but that gives me the impression it is more of a utilitarian object which lends a bit of support to me thought that it might be for matches.

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cj jones

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iconnumber posted 02-06-2007 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cj jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Kimo, there are five pierced thru holes...3 vertical & 1 on ea side..looking at it -- you were right the vertical ones are not concentric...the middle vertical hole matches w/ the two side holes -- the other two vertical are definitely "out of kilter".

I don't have your knowledge but I thought deco because of the mono & the horizontal lines seem well done..it's masculine to me -- It has been altered & we may never know true use -- I will post a better picture of bottom soon -- maybe you can tell if it's been altered i.e., strike removed..thnx

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The crude nature and off-center spacing of the wholes suggest that the piece may have been designed for one purpose and adapted for another.

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If this were designed to hold a glass vial, for whatever use, these may have been holes to allow air in to prevent a vacuum from forming thereby preventing the removal. Just a wild guess.

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Tomockat & Argentum...thnx for the input.

I am going to post a better picture of the bottom as soon as I can.

I agree it has been altered -- although I have had it forever and just thought it was drainage - thus dental. I like the glass vial theory. The bottom has a small dent and a "cut scratch" also small -- so it seems to have been used regularly..it's sturdy and well made..

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I am going to post two pictures..one of the "whatisthis" and a better one of the ends...don't know if it will help..

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iconnumber posted 02-07-2007 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The term Art Deco is overused these days. Many antiques dealers, some who know better and many who do not, like to apply it to anything made between 1900 and 1950 to help sell their wares. There are actually many different design styles from this general period and telling them apart does involve a degree of judgment as there are few hard and fast 'rules'. I copied the following little summary of art deco from the Wikipedia website which I think is a pretty good starting point - though of course I would be the first to say it is open for quibbling and some expounding: 'Art Deco is characterized by use of materials such as aluminum, stainless steel, lacquer, inlaid wood, sharkskin (shagreen), and zebra skin. The bold use of stepped forms, and sweeping curves (unlike the sinuous, natural curves of the Art Nouveau), chevron patterns, and the sunburst motif are typical of Art Deco. Some of these motifs were ubiquitous — for example, sunburst motifs were used in such varied contexts as ladies' shoes, radiator grilles, the auditorium of the Radio City Music Hall, and the spire of the Chrysler Building.' and 'These design influences were expressed in fractionated, crystalline, faceted forms of decorative Cubism and Futurism, in Fauvism's palette. Other popular themes in art deco were trapezoidal, zigzagged, geometric and jumbled shapes, which can be seen in many early pieces.'

The suggestion that your little case may have originally held a fitted glass vial for perfume is a good suggestion. Another one I thought of is that it may have been an unusually shaped cigarette case but I don't have much confidence in this suggestion as I don't think it would hold more than a few.

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Paul Lemieux

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I'm going to hazard a guess that the holes are not original and that this is some kind of dresser/toiletry article, such as a bottle for shaving soap, tooth powder, etc., or a bottle to hold a shaving brush.

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cj jones

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iconnumber posted 02-07-2007 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cj jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paul & Kimo...thnx for the input...

Kimo that helps me w/ the term art deco..I agree it could have been a cigarette holder but wouldn't have held many.

Paul, I like the tooth powder "theorem" -- I didn't purchase this piece. My dad was an inveterate collector of art glass -- often at Ohio auctions/estate sales in the '60's -- he would buy a box...maybe that's where it came from...

I have so many things to investigate but even if this was altered - it's very dear to me..it will go back in a credenza.

You guys are the best -- I droll over some of the other postings -- my favorite so far has been Great Faces ...

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