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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 08-31-2010 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This mold is made from tin rather than gold or silver, but I think it will still be of interest to you. This mold was used to bake as it has a black surface that I think is the result of years in an oven. It has been a favorite of mine simply because of the shape, but also as it gave me a chance to meet a young tinsmith who was able to fashion a perfect bottom for one that was missing. This tinsmith sets up at Civil War reenactments and made a great copy of the lid that remained on the other mold. At first I thought of doing something to blacken the new lid, but I have now decided just to leave it as is as evidence of his skill in tinsmithing.
I am not really sure what was baked in the bold, except that it was large (the mold is about 15” tall) and dramatic in shape.

Any ideas as to what it was used for would be appreciated.


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wev
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iconnumber posted 08-31-2010 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Casting aspic, ices, etc.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 08-31-2010 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Wev that does sound right.

Maybe it was just age that gave the nice crusty finish to the outside.

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iconnumber posted 09-01-2010 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not crusty; grain painted to imitate wood. Not at all unusual -- nice decorative finish and protected the tin from oxidation.

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denimrs

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iconnumber posted 09-01-2010 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for denimrs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Steam pudding molds have that sort of a lid. It seems too large for that --- would have taken a huge pot to steam it in --- but the lid made me think of that.

That said, some sort of gelatin mold also came to mind.

Elizabeth

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 09-01-2010 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How tall are they?

Clearly the inside was shaped to permit releasing of whatever was inside? Even so, it seems like a lot of surface area. So baking or casting might not be what was intended. Because whatever was on the inside when hardened/baked, if it didn't shrink away from the sides then the contents might not be easily removed.

I am wondering if a decorative ice mold might be what these were? A slight thawing and the ice would slip right out.

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iconnumber posted 09-01-2010 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here’s one another thought.

Maybe they weren’t molds at all. It seems like the shape would allow for easy nesting for storage.

When not stored, I am wondering if they might have been used as support for some sort of holiday decoration?

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 09-01-2010 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

This is picture of the original lid showing the small handle in the middle. The tinsmith is not copy this feature as the mold sets straighter without the handle.

The molds are 15” tall and the bases are 6 ¾” in diameter. Given the ease of releasing either an ice mold or one made of gelatin by applying a small amount of hot water on the outside I think these are the two most likely candidates. My wife makes sugar cones in a mold that is about 9 or 10 inches high and just gives a good wrack to get the sugar out.

If we actually try to make something I will post another picture.

Thanks for all your comments.

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Polly

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Wonderful molds.

I agree that they're too elongated for steamed/baked puddings. It's hard enough getting a steamed pudding out of a squatter mold (which I do pretty often). I think that tall tip would stick inside and break off. And it looks like it would be difficult to get in there to butter it.

I vote for ice cream or jelly.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 09-03-2010 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I vote for Scott's idea that they are not molds and are standings for something - either holiday decorations or some thing else. Not only are their shapes not very workable for molds, what has me thinking they are stands is the faux wood grain. Such a painting makes no sense to me for a mold.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 09-03-2010 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If they're not molds, then why the lids with the pull handle?

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 09-04-2010 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To store whatever they were used to support?

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Hopefully shedding more light on this subject I asked a knowledgeable friend who says he believes that Wev is correct, it is an aspic mold. As such, it was not put into an oven but probably just the opposite, into an ice bath in order to get the aspic to gel shortly before serving. The shape is a nice one, and to have a pair makes it even nicer. Though he doesn't recall ever seeing one grain-painted, he says that kitchen tins were usually coated with some sealant to keep it from rusting,

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blakstone

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Here's a fascinating website on the history of culinary molds. Molds were then, as now, multi purpose, but usually thin tin molds like this were used for jellies, aspics and steamed puddings (hence the cap). Ice cream molds, by contrast were usually very thick pewter, and baking molds usually made of copper, a much more even conductor of heat.

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Polly

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Love it, Blakstone!

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After spending some hours staring at that fascinating website Blakstone posted, I find myself wondering what sort of utensils people used to eat and serve gelatin-based dishes.

Would they use their ice cream set? Perhaps something sharper to slice the jelly/aspic? What spoons or forks? Does anyone know?

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Would be served with a jelly knife or a sickle-shape aspic slice.

Seems to me that I've seen a similar piece in a book, but not able to check at the moment. Here's a recipe that mentions a tall slender mold, from 1905 British book by Mrs. Peel, Entrees Made Easy:

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 09-06-2010 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And eaten with forks? Spoons?

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wev
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I don't have a picture of one handy, but an aspic spoon was slightly larger than a teaspoon. It had a shallower bowl with the upper left side angled and mildly sharpened to act as a cutting edge.

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iconnumber posted 09-06-2010 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for denimrs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Polly:
And eaten with forks? Spoons?

Good question Polly. So, I spent some time with my book on Tiffany flatware to see if I could find an answer. No luck. All the aspic related pieces are in the section on serving pieces. They seem to be somewhat like ice cream slices but smaller (around 7 inches as compared to ice cream slices being around 11 inches)

There were no forks or spoons that I could find in the section on place pieces that were said to be used to eat aspic. Jelly spoons were also listed as serving utensils.

My mother used to make tomato aspic and I cannot remember what we used to eat it, but I am thinking it may have been the salad forks.

Given the similarity of the aspic slice to the ice cream knife or slice, I am wondering if aspic might have been eaten with ice cream forks? Having recently acquired a few of them, I can imagine they might work well with aspic.

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ahwt

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"An aspic spoon is an extremely esoteric piece of silverware. Many people who pride themselves on setting very formal tables for parties don't use aspic spoons; this may also be due to the fact that aspic has fallen (out of)in flavor in many cuisines, as it is a food with an acquired taste. You may spend your entire life without ever encountering an aspic spoon, but after you read this article, you'll know one when you see it.

The bowl of an aspic spoon is asymmetrical. Depending on the design, it may be sinuous, with several curves, or it may be have a single gentle curve, like a leaf. Aspic spoons are typically shallow, with a hint of a lip to prevent the aspic from sliding out of the spoon as it is used. One edge of the spoon is typically reinforced and a bit sharp, ensuring that people can cut through the various things one may encounter in aspic dishes, such as meats and vegetables.

Aspic was once a fixture at formal dinners, and it was often brought out in the form of a large and quite impressive mold studded with an assortment of ingredients. Using an aspic server, the hostess or the wait staff would cut out wedges of the jelly, which is notoriously unstable, requiring people to eat it quickly, before it melts or becomes lopsided. Aspic has a very unique texture, typically melting away in the mouth as it is consumed, and it sometimes has a strong flavor, depending on the meat or fish used to make it."
The above is all from the wiseGEEK website. No picture was shown at this site.

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iconnumber posted 09-17-2010 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ellabee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aspic spoons are indeed rarefied items.

In the first half of my life, aspic was standard fare at receptions, Easter dinners, wakes, etc. (Invariably with deviled eggs and ham biscuits.)

We ate the aspic with forks.

The typical shape then, in the 1950s-60s, was that made with a ring mold. Certainly would have added drama to have a quivering tomato-ey tower next to the ham biscuits...

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