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Postnikov

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2011 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Postnikov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[01-2912]

Silver you find and know nothing about can talk if you listen:

    1) through the marks, import-or export marks
    2) through inscriptions - sometimes loving, sometimes funny and sometimes you get goose pimples. Here three examples:

    Russian lady´s cigarette case
    St. Petersburg 1908-17
    Maker: E. Parkinen
    Text: Posowiosch - pridu
    If you call me - I come

    German Gent´s cigarette case
    Hanau 1914
    Ludwig Nehretsheimer
    Text: Dem tapferen Bübchen zur Erinnerung an Kriegsweihnachten 1914
    (The brave little boy to remember War-christmas 1914) obvious from the proud parents to their son who won the high order Iron Cross 1. Class.

    German Presentation cigarre box
    Maker: Bruckmann 1942
    Recipient: unknown
    Donator: Heinrich Himmler

Maybe other members have some funny or strange inscriptions on silver too. Please show them.

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 03-08-2011 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all,

Several years ago I purchased a few pieces of Repousse' pattern sterling silver by Kirk, out of Baltimore.. I took them home, and while I was polishing them, I noticed the engraving on the back of this plate. It has been in my collection since. What fun!

I also have a match safe that I will dig out and post.

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doc

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iconnumber posted 03-09-2011 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is the BEST inscription ever!

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nutmegr

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iconnumber posted 03-20-2011 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nutmegr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a fun topic - I love all of the above. This goblet has a more mysterious inscription that has always amused me.

Who is the gang? Why are they seven? I suppose I'll never know.
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Lisa

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 03-25-2011 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Postnikov!

Love this topic, i never thought of inscriptions in terms of speaking to someone but of course you're right that is exactly what they do.

Aside from jewelry I have from my Father that he inscribed to me, I just recalled a Tiffany sterling silver horn & noisemaker I had purchased from I presume a New Years eve party celebration in 2000.

They read "To a New World, A New Century, and Old Friends!"
Love that inscription!

BTW The matching hat has no inscription.....wonder why?!

Jersey

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2011 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Here is a straight forward 2 cup teapot I bought from the melt pot about 3 years ago. Mrs. wife and I use it often and enjoy it.

The inscription amused us from the get go, mostly because the poor new Mrs. Gray is never mentioned except by inference. Also that the Stewarts are so grand that Brin has to be mentioned. I know I am missing all the English protocols here and it is probably very properly done for 1908 - but still - did the new Mrs. Gray enjoy it as much as we do?

One other thing is that the Goldsmiths Silversmiths Co. name and address on the bottom is tiny and hand engraved not stamped!

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2011 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice teapot to use! Given the hallmark date, that engraved date looks like the year 1900 rather than 1908. Is it?

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-27-2011 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adelapt - Your so right. Funny I got this so efortlesly and am not that interested in silver this late nor trade/spun/production that I was casual about looking at the engraved date which is hard to see with my eyes. The engraved zeros have cross bars and the one one the end is heavier and looks like an eight. Top that off with my frustration in posting images and I did not check the 1898/9 (C) hallmark date.

There is no slipping up here! Thanks.

By the way I doubt I would have paid this any attention if it did not have the inscription and I am glad because as I said it is a lovely functional object.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-16-2017 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See related post (originally in New Members Forum): Silver can talk...continuation

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 03-17-2017 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by agleopar:
The inscription amused us from the get go, mostly because the poor new Mrs. Gray is never mentioned except by inference. Also that the Stewarts are so grand that Brin has to be mentioned. I know I am missing all the English protocols here and it is probably very properly done for 1908 - but still - did the new Mrs. Gray enjoy it as much as we do?

It is possible that D Gray is Donald Gray who was born in 1860 in Kirkhill Invernessshire. He was a Shopkeeper and Gun-maker. Brin a mansion house and I guess about 6000 acre estate is also in the shire and both Donald Gray and Charles D Stewart belonged to the Inverness Gaelic Society and maybe other societies together as well. I was not able to find a family connection between the two gentlemen but believe that they were at least fellow business men in their area. Donald Gray married Margaret Mary Anne McGregor on 20 June 1900 at Kingussie Invernessshire.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-17-2017 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a great find Bascall. That completes the story in a very tidy manner.

Could it be that seeing Donald Gray get married at age 40 so shocked the Steward’s that they forgot about Mrs. Gray? I had a good friend get married at age 40 and I must say that it was a shocker to me and his other friends.

Maybe a toast to Margaret Mary Anne McGregor is still in order; with such a great name it is never too late.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-23-2017 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bascall, thank you, how great to check in and find this!! I never thought to look over the border and assumed that "Brin" might have been something like Hyacinth Buckets house.

Mrs. Wife is thrilled, as am I, to put place and face to our little pot. Now that we know it's story of origin the remaining mystery is how did it end up in a scrapers bucket near Poughkeepsie NY?

My sister married a month before her 40th and it was a fun day that only she thought of as squeaking under some imaginary limbo bar... Mr. Grey might have been 40 but Ms. McGregor might have been 16!

I have been to Kingussie and now will have to go back to see Brin. Can I ask what got you going on this and what was the key to finding it?

[This message has been edited by agleopar (edited 03-25-2017).]

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 03-25-2017 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
agleopar, you are welcome. Donald was not quite forty when he married, a difference of months and his wife was twenty-five. I do research such as this because of the challenge. There are others that do it better than myself, but I manage a little. Thanks to the U S Navy, I lived in Scotland for five and a half years, so it was interesting to see the way this turned out. I earned an O Grade cerficate in Scottish Gaelic while there. Unfortunately, I did not recognize the name Brin, but it was good to learn they were working to keep the language alive even back then.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2017 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bascall, thanks for the explanation and 5 years in, I assume, the lowlands...? It must have been a good time I imagine! Good beer and you picked up Gaelic, which probably got you the beer!

I still (unless you do not want to talk trade secrets) would love to know where you started and how you got to "Brin"?

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2017 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use Ancestry.com and google (books, patents, images, general searches & etc). The specific wedding date along with the Gray name got me started on this search. By the way there are D Gray & Co Gun-makers in Invernesssire listings accessible on google. Each time I do a search it seems like I'm off in many directions, so if anyone wants to know where the result came from, it's best to ask at the time like you have done.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 03-26-2017 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unintentional duplicate post?

[This message has been edited by bascall (edited 04-07-2017).]

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