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Roger Nevling

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iconnumber posted 11-16-2011 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Nevling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

A few years ago I picked up a spoon at a flea market and noticed that the pattern on the stem was upside down. I did some searching at the time and couldn't find any info about this odd item. I ran across it the other day and thought I would get some input from others. Has anyone else ran across this?

I also collect some coins and errors are highly sought after but don't know about in silver. I have searched the forums and can't find any discussions about it.

I would be glad to post pictures if anyone is interested.


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iconnumber posted 11-16-2011 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Roger,
Yes please post your pictures!


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iconnumber posted 11-17-2011 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not sure I would pick up on that - so yes, it would be great to see.

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Roger Nevling

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iconnumber posted 11-18-2011 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Nevling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thanks Jersey and Agelopar for your interest, I wasn't sure how to say what was wrong with the spoon in the initial post so should have just posted them in the beginning, but here they are. As you can see, the pattern was stamped on the wrong side of the handle. I can't make out the mark very well due to the curve of the handle, it is somewhat blurred. So is this a common error? Just wondering?

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-18-2011 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps it was for french/continental style table settings. Depending on where in the world, sometimes the tines and bowls are place in a table setting facing the table (i.e, tines down).

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iconnumber posted 11-18-2011 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Curled handled baby spoons look like this when the curl is straighted out, don't they?

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iconnumber posted 11-18-2011 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott is correct, of course. To expand just a bit, it is the older continental style of flatware. The correct way one used to set a table in many parts of the continent was with the spoons with their bowl sides down facing the table, and the forks with their tines points down facing the table. These days we are not aware that if people from the past were to come to our table they would think we are the ones setting our flatware upside down with the spoons bowl facing up towards the ceiling and the forks tines also facing up towards the ceiling.

Flatware made in those days of bowls and tines properly facing toward the table have their designs and even engravings done on the opposite side of the utensil of what is done today and by doing that the diner could admire the pattern or engraving on the flatware as they came to the table.

[This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 11-18-2011).]

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Roger Nevling

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iconnumber posted 11-18-2011 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Nevling     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is great information and I had considered that as an option when I first purchased it, but not having found any discussion on the subject or pictures in other posts, I discarded the idea and just assumed that this item was a mistake, especially since the mark is American and not Continental. Are there other collectors out there with pictures of similiar place settings that they could share?

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iconnumber posted 11-18-2011 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have limited knowledge of patterns of this type, but I believe it is one that was popular in the early 1900s. With the spoon marked “sterling” I also assume that it was made in the United States.

Why would a United States company make such a style? Were they were going to export some or all of their production to France?

Did they make the same spoon with the pattern on the “right side” for customers in the United States?

The spoon in the style shown may be more attractive when sitting on the table, but it would sure look strange to me when actually used.

Whatever the reason was for making this style, I think it was a mistake and for that reason it is certainly an interesting piece to include in a collection.

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2011 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The US is a nation of immigrants, and at that time the majority were from Europe. I do not think it is unusual for a company to make silverware to supply the demand for those who preferred the old way. It is like today there are some US companies that make 'European sized' silverware - that it the silverware that seems oversized to most Americans.

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iconnumber posted 11-19-2011 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with Taloncrest, suspect this is most likely an "unbent" curved handle baby spoon - they usually curve to the back, but I've handled a few that curved to the front, believe most were made by Weidlich, but other manufacturers produced them too.

I've had this Fessenden pattern before (normal construction), and for some reason it shows up on the internet as a 1950 Chrysanthemum pattern - an issue for me since it appears to represent an Iris, and Fessenden went out of business in the early '20s. Believe it dates to sometime in the first decade of the 20th century, along with their other floral design patterns.


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