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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-23-2005 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is an excerpt from Gaylord Silvercraft (Winged Hammer Mark - ?).

The discussion about Photos and Photo hosting seemed like it would be better in a separate thread.

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iconnumber posted 06-30-2013 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

I just got this serving fork and was very interested after reading this post. I thought I would share this with everyone and ask a question:

01-0038-gaylord-01-all_zps754bf594a.jpg

(I tried to post a pic of the mark and a close-up of the hammered surface but Photobucket isn't cooperating today. Is anyone else having problems?)

This piece doesn't have the GS initials so is it still a Gaylord piece or another maker?


Thanks

[imaged snipped because it was over sized. Also please post only the image without the embedded links]

FYI -Photobucket is not the nice place it once was. I can only recommend using your own ISP provided private FTP storage.

When you go to your Photobucket page, the visitor is exposed to the following Trackers, advertising data mining, and other privacy snooping and trackers:

  • AdMeld (Advertising)
  • AppNexus (Advertising)
  • Criteo (Advertising)
  • eXelate (Tracker)
  • Glam Media (Advertising)
  • Google Analytics (Analytics)
  • Lotame (Tracker)
  • NetRatings SiteCensus (Analytics)
  • PubMatic (Advertising)
  • Quigo AdSonar (Advertising)
  • RapLeaf (Tracker)
  • SAS (Tracker)
  • ScoreCard Research Beacon (Tracker)
  • ShareThis (Widget)

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chase33

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iconnumber posted 06-30-2013 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry about that Scott. The first picture posted correctly or so I thought but then I couldn't delete the post. I gave up after the umpteenth try.

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2013 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any "free" photo hosting site that currently is not loaded down with spyware will soon enough be. It is most often the reason for providing "Free". They sell the info they collect.

Photobucket is going out of their way to provide all these companies info about you and your internet habits.

Maybe someone can recommend a site that is less intrusive ????

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2013 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Photobucket has become extremely difficult for me to use to post pictures here. That is the reason why I have not posted any pictures here recently.
Does anyone have suggestions as to which site might work for this forum?

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2013 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I should have read this before I made my last post.

I too would be interested in another hosting site since PB seems like a not so nice place anymore. I guess I will shut down that account.

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iconnumber posted 07-02-2013 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I spent part of my morning looking at various "free" image/file hosting sites.

All of the free site's home pages, when just visiting the site, had some sort of third party involvement in the background. Most had 5-10 Advertisers, snoopers, analytics, or more, in the background.

For the few that had less than 2 third parties associated with their home page, I then looked to see where in world the site was located and who owned the site. For the very few who were USA based I then read their terms of use and privacy agreement/statememt. Some of the TOS/UA weren't too bad even though all said they could change things without notice. I tried registering and up loading an image file. Uploading was easy and fast for all. Getting the image's URL was not as easy. I didn't like any of the ways to get to the image.

The bottom line for this round of investigation is that personal FTP ISP file storage is the way to go and not the "free" image hosting sites.

If anyone can recommend a free site which is easy to use and is respectful of the user/visitors privacy, let me know so I might check it out.

I continue to recommend ISP provided private person web storage.

Every ISP provides their users with storage space (usual 10 megs or more).
The basics: Set up a password for FTP. (Some ISP's include FTP in their dashboard.) Use one of the many free FTP file transfer protocol programs to upload your images. Paste the stored image's URL into your post using the forum image tags [img] [/img] before and after the URL.

To me, FTP is a solution that insures your and any forum visitors' privacy (unless your ISP is not to be trusted) and it is a process that is not going to change. I have been using FTP for images/PDFs/videos/MP3s/etc. since the 1990's and for decades it has been the same FTP program/protocol without change.

If we can figure out what ISP (or two) is used by the majority of our membership the we can do a step by step for using that ISP and one of the many free FTP programs.

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iconnumber posted 07-02-2013 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for middletom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, I, too, am fed up with photobucket and would like something better. I don't know all your terminology, such as ISP. What is that and how do I find out if they have photo saving sites?
Would I be able to transfer my photos from Photobucket to another site or are they lost for me?

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iconnumber posted 07-02-2013 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have used FTP a long time ago - so long in fact that I didn't even realize that it was still available. I sure don;t remember what software I used.

I looked last night to see if my ISP has storage available or image hosting but I ccouldn;t find any decent info. My ISP is att uverse.

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iconnumber posted 07-02-2013 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ISP = Internet Service Provider (also called Internet access provider)
ISP is a business or organization that offers users access to the Internet and related services.

Most ISP's provide personal file storage space (aka web space). It is usually at least 10 meg. Today I had a Comcast user tell me their plan includes 1 gig of storage. In your ISP FTP/personal web storage space you may store files. Files can be anything Photos, MP3, PDF's, HTML, etc.

FTP = File Transfer Protocol - this a standard network protocol used to transfer files from one host (PC) to another host (server) over a TCP-based network, such as the Internet.

Middletom your ISP appears to be Comcast. xfinity.comcast.net/storage/

chase33 your ISP appears to be AT&T U-verse. pwp.att.net/p/s/editorial.dll?eetype=Article&eeid=4138156&render=y&ck=

If you no longer have the original photos on your PC then you should download them from Photobucket and save them on your PC. Once you have your FTP set then you can upload the Photos from your PC to your FTP site.

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iconnumber posted 07-03-2013 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This morning I did the tedious research in the General Silver Forum to see how many of the 1016 threads had images hosted on PB. It is 160+ threads and many many more photos.

Right now I don't have the time or patience to research the remaining 10,000+ threads/57,000+ posts.

In the General Silver Forum only, I estimate it will take me a few weeks to make sure we have a backup copy of the images, copy the image to the SMPub.com FTP server and then to edit each post to replace the image's URL from PB to SMPub.com.

For the balance of the 10,000+ threads/57,000+ posts it could take more than a year.

Please don't close out your Photobucket accounts until we can get this work done. If you do close your Photobucket accounts before this work is finished then your post's photos will disappear.

And, if possible, don't post any more new images hosted on Photobucket.

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chase33

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iconnumber posted 07-03-2013 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info Scott. Unfortunately after talking to many people at ATT (including being sent to the business hosting support and then to the automated system running a test and telling me I had a problem and they needed to send someone out - (and no there is no problem with my system)), it turns out that as of 09/12/2012 you can't create a new personal webpage.

I couldn't get a decent answer as to why there were 2 different support pages with conflicting info.

Anyway, I won't close my photobucket account yet, I just won't upload any more images there.

So if anyone knows of a good web/picture hosting site, let me know.

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iconnumber posted 07-04-2013 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a bit worried at the way this has developed. I appreciate that Photobucket spies on me. There is no such thing as a free lunch. However, it still seems to work OK for me. If the following image, chosen at random, appears properly it means PB is automatically re-sizing pictures that I upload. I don’t understand how that happens other than that I faithfully followed Scott’s patient instructions when I opened my account.



If it doesn’t appear, I am up the creek of course! Incidentally, it shows a pair of Trefid tablespoons by Lawrence Coles, London 1669.

My broadband account allegedly gives me some webspace but I cannot work out how to access it and as a complete duffer when it comes to IT I am at a bit of a loss in trying to decide which FTP to download, let alone how to use it. Doubtless this can be overcome with a bit of help but I also see that my broadband provider apparently does not offer webspace to new customers. If it becomes a requirement not to use sites like photobucket, is this not likely to put off potential new members?

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iconnumber posted 07-04-2013 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott

In my previous post I should have added my apologies for using PB after you had asked us not to. It was the only way I could see to check whether the site was causing problems for me or not. At present it remains the only way I have of posting an image if the need arises.

David

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iconnumber posted 07-04-2013 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
agphile,

The photo looks good. It was posted with imbedded links to PB so if someone clicks on the photo they are taken to PB. I snipped the links.

When you or anyone else goes to your PB page they are exposed to:

  • AdMeld Advertising
  • AppNexus Advertising
  • Criteo Advertising
  • eXelate Tracker
  • Glam Media Advertising
  • Google Analytics Analytics
  • Lotame Tracker
  • NetRatings SiteCensus Analytics
  • PubMatic Advertising
  • Quigo AdSonar Advertising
  • RapLeaf Tracker
  • SAS Tracker
  • ScoreCard Research Beacon Tracker
  • ShareThis Widget

As you may know, we try to regularly back up photos posted here. PB doesn't allow this anymore. And they don't do it nicely. They let us go through the motions to save the image but the saved file is corrupted and un-viewable. For anyone to properly backup they have to go to PB and suffer the exposure. For reasons un-explained sometimes PB lets you save and other times the saved file is un-viewable. We know to check the saved file and then do a few tricks to get the file properly. As PB fine tunes the changes, I suspect our tricks will no longer work.

Right now anyone who views a SSF post with a PB hosted image has their IP and all the info their browser leaks about them passed to PB and their partners. There are other photo hosting sites that are even more sneaky....

Most all of the photo hosting sites are updating and continuing to update their technology, so I expect it will only get more difficult to minimize the exposure to our members/visitors and for our attempts to back up.

Using personal web space goes a long way in protecting viewers of your images (Of course this assumes your ISP isn't sharing with third parties) and will help the SSF to properly back up.

Your ISP is Plusnet.
Plusnet provides their users with personal web space.
Plusnet has user guides for 4 different FTP programs (FileZilla, WS FTP, CuteFTP, CyberDuck).
We use WS FTP. Here is a link to the Plusnet WS FTP user guide: http://community.plus.net/library/tools/upload-to-your-webspace-with-wsftp/

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iconnumber posted 07-04-2013 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I expect people, whether they are an existing member or a new member, will continue to use third party "free" web hosting sites.

We hope as members become better informed they will start using personal web space/storage/FTP. It is better for everyone.

Whatever approach a member uses, we will do the best we can. As the "free" sites get more and more problematic we won't be able to well manage the users experience at SSF.

Even if we come up with another "free" image hosting site that is like the old PB .... it will only be a matter of time before the new hosting site becomes problematic.

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My internet provider is U-Verse and they used to have web space available, but as of last September they quit providing this service.
I will look around for a paid service, but I suppose even those may sell the information on the site.

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iconnumber posted 07-04-2013 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ahwt,

Your ISP appears to be AT&T U-verse. They seem to be still supporting FTP for their customers... These pages are dated today.

see:
FTP Server Access
pwp.att.net/p/s/editorial.dll?eetype=Article&eeid=4138156&render=y&ck=

and

My Personal Web Pages
pwp.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=0&ck=

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iconnumber posted 07-05-2013 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for middletom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Scott, all my pictures do seem to be on my computer so I'll not lose them. I'll check with Comcast and see if they have a picture storing feature.
Thank you very much.

Geoff Blake

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iconnumber posted 07-05-2013 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pictures are files. Ask them about file storage and what they provide/recommend for FTP.

If you use the term "photos" they may steer to a site like PB.

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2013 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I logged on to the AT&T site the following pops up:
“AT&T Personal webpage
Beginning September 12, 2012, you can no longer create a new Personal webpage. We will continue to support existing pages.”

It appears I am a little late to take this route. I have seen other places that provide hosting for personal web pages and I will look into some of them. Some of them with minimum services are very inexpensive and I will look into some of them.

I also saw a search engine that does not keep track of any searches so there is nothing to turn over to advertising agencies or other interested parties. If you search for “anonymous search engine” you will find it. I will leave it to others to determine whether or not it is possible to intercept searches in real time.

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2013 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK. Lets us know what you do or find out?

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iconnumber posted 07-13-2013 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An interesting new development. Photobucket has suddenly started to send me emails to let me know that various young ladies have left messages of appreciation about my pictures. My natural reserve holds me back from accepting the invitations to contact these young ladies, but isn’t it nice to know that there is this wider enthusiasm for antique silver flatware?

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iconnumber posted 07-18-2013 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone had any experience with www.picturetrail.com. My casual review only found:
  1. Google Analytics (tracker)
  2. Quantcast (Advertising)
  3. Google Adsense (Advertising)

I wonder how long before they go the way of Photobucket?

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iconnumber posted 07-19-2013 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used the website that Scott suggested and posted pictures in the Gaylord Silvercraft (Winged Hammer Mark - ?) thread. It worked! The only difference that I can see right now is that the old Photobucket would automatically resize pictures but Picturetrail doesn't, or at least I haven't figured that part out yet.

Signing up was easy with the one drawback is that I had to decline two "offers" to complete the registration but it was no big deal. Uploading was easy except I had to use their "old" method but again no problems.

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iconnumber posted 07-20-2013 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The images post like the old Photobucket. Thanks

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iconnumber posted 08-16-2013 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nautilusjv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh dear! I had not realized that Photobucket had become such a toxic problem. When I posted today in the Silverplate Forum the image link did look different to me. Scott did you snip out the PB links? If so, how? And if not, could you talk me through it, so I could take care of it?

UPDATE: I think I figured how to get rid of the link on the photos. I snipped the URL code. The pics are still theres so I hope that is correct.

Ok another question. I have Outlook for email and I can upload photos to SkyDrive and then embed them in posts. Is SkyDrive more appropriate or does it too have nasty trackers and such. Thanks!!!

Thanks!
Kelly

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iconnumber posted 08-17-2013 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes you did it. The forum [url] code tags that wrap around the forum [img] tags were the links.

Anytime you use a free third party Internet service/app there is likelihood of exposure. There are exceptions like the Silver Salon Forums but this is a rarity.

I don't know anything about SD. I can only recommend using your own ISP provided private FTP storage.

I tried to find out more about SD but all roads lead to a SD signup page with at least one tracker: Omniture (Adobe Analytics) Tracker. I suspect once someone is signed up then there are lots more.

I did find a blog trying to describe how to get the HTML for a SD hosted photo. When I tried the provided HTML it wouldn't show me the image unless I joined SD.

I suspect SD, in one way or another, is as privacy invasive and problematic as most other free sites.

I can only recommend using your own ISP provided private FTP storage. Privacy is really dependent upon your ISP's integrity and sensitivity but for now it seems like the best way.

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iconnumber posted 09-13-2013 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I stared this project on 07-03-2013....

In only the General Silver Forum, I believe I have finally re-edited all existing threads with links to images hosted on Photobucket.

I have left the PB hosted images in this thread alone.

If you notice any PB hosted images in the General Silver Forum, please let me know.

I don't know which forum will be next that I start removing PB hosted images from. Any suggestions?

Thanks

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iconnumber posted 03-02-2014 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Martin:
I stared this project on 07-03-2013....

In only the General Silver Forum, I believe I have finally re-edited all existing threads with links to images hosted on Photobucket.

I have left the PB hosted images in this thread alone.

If you notice any PB hosted images in the General Silver Forum, please let me know.

I don't know which forum will be next that I start removing PB hosted images from. Any suggestions?

Thanks


I believe it was the end of December I finished replacing image links to Photobucket, I was burned out .... Phoctbucket images posted since then have not been replaced.

Today a new poster used Photobucket. No wonder since it was still on the How to post photos page.

After seeing over 15 trackers (see below) associated with viewing the hosted images, I felt it was time for Photobucket to go away.

Here are the trackers associated with the most recent Photobucket posted images:

  1. Amazon Associates - Advertising
  2. AppNexus - Advertising
  3. Casale Media - Advertising
  4. Criteo - Advertising
  5. eXelate - Beacons
  6. Glam Media - Advertising
  7. Google Analytics - Analytics
  8. LiveRamp - Beacons
  9. Lotame - Beacons
  10. NetRatings SiteCensus - Analytics
  11. New Relic - Analytics
  12. PubMatic - Advertising
  13. Quantcast - Advertising
  14. Quigo AdSonar - Advertising
  15. SAS Beacons - ScoreCard
  16. Research Beacon - Beacons

Those of you who are continuing to use Photobucket should switch to Picturetrail but know it just a matter of time before Picturetrail starts to do the same. In the thread (not silver) The Internet - Internet stalking - Privacy there is a long and rambling discussion about this sort of internet stalking.

As for where to put your photos, my recommendation is to use your ISP provided web storage. See the above discussion.

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The bottom line for this round of investigation is that personal FTP ISP file storage is the way to go and not the "free" image hosting sites.

If anyone can recommend a free site which is easy to use and is respectful of the user/visitors privacy, let me know so I might check it out.

I continue to recommend ISP provided private person web storage.

Near every ISP provides their users with storage space (usual 10 megs or more).
The basics: Set up a password for FTP. (Some ISP's include FTP in their dashboard.) Use one of the many free FTP file transfer protocol programs to upload your images. Paste the stored image's URL into your post using the forum image tags [img] [/img] before and after the URL.

To me, FTP is a solution that insures your and any forum visitors' privacy (unless your ISP is not to be trusted) and it is a process that is not going to change. I have been using FTP for images/PDFs/videos/MP3s/etc. since the 1990's and for decades it has been the same FTP program/protocol without change.
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iconnumber posted 03-03-2014 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seaduck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Scott--
Here's a dumb question about posting photos: What about using links to images that are stored in the cloud using Dropbox or Cubby or similar services that allow you to simply send a link to a file?

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iconnumber posted 03-03-2014 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know Dropbox or Cubby or any similar service. Do they only allow linking and viewing via their cloud service or can we embed the image url using the forum img tags and have the image show up in our forum post/thread?

I don't know. Maybe someone could give it a try?

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iconnumber posted 03-03-2014 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just tried Cubby and it won't work.

Also as it regards trackers its not bad (only 2 - see below) but I expect it will only get worse with time. Its the trackers that allow Cubby to make money with their "free" service. Cubby should share the profits with their members.

Here are the two:

  • Google Tag Manager - Widgets
  • ValueClick Mediaplex - Advertising

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Also the required Cubby application UN-installed but not completely... I scrubbed my system and found (removed) the left over parts.

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I looked into AT&T storage locker and I received a message that I had to enable Adobe flash reader local storage. ATT would not take responsibility for what third party entities might do with that info, and if I'm not mistaken, once you allow local storage, every site you visit that uses Adobe can store info on it also. I passed on it.

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iconnumber posted 03-05-2014 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not surprised. I suspect you made a good decision.

Seaduck sent me a link to an image hosted on Dropbox. I tried normal ways and a few tricks but nothing worked. Dropbox and Cubby, don't allows sites like the SS forums to use/view the hosted images in a post. They do this intentionally because it supports their business goals.

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