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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 06-24-2020 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It really is amazing how much great information is available on this forum.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-24-2020 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for noticing.

As things with the pandemic progress, I fear the worst ....

Since it is only June & I behind the scenes.... It would be nice if an independent party like the LOC, Smithsonian or some like institution would pick this site up and archive it for future public consumption.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 06-25-2020 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am on a group on Facebook that discuss British ceramics.

They have a nice mix of dealers and collectors and never discuss value and really have some knowledgeable participants.

The British forum on Facebook can be searched, but only once you are logged on and then with a search engine that Google engineers would say is even before the first generation of search engines. As a result information on past posts is not very good.

On the other hand collectors of ceramics have great websites individually created that are not for discussion, but simply to show information that the originator has created. These are much like WEV's site.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-25-2020 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This forum can be searched

There are two search functions:
  • An internal search engine.
  • Google search engine.

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but only once you are logged on
Logging in is not required. [except when searching the private forums]


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and then with a search engine that Google engineers would say is even before the first generation of search engines.

True.

Understanding the limitations of both search features can be helpful:

The internal search:

  • The internal search is very limited because it only indexes the the first portion (500 words?) of any thread. And it only indexes the public (not private) forums.

  • But it does index every thread including forums that are no longer visible.

The Google search:

  • The Google search is more advanced; with all of the Google search features.

  • But Google doesn't capture all threads (11,000+) from our site. The last time I checked it was only 6,960 items in Google. The number of threads/items items in Google goes up and down daily.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 06-25-2020 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, I edited my previous post as when I said “this forum” I meant the British ceramics forum on Facebook and not your Forum. I always seem to get good results when I use the search engines that you provide. The Facebook search engine is the one that is very primitive. (Or I do not know how to use it.)

I also seem to pick up many Silver Forum posts using Google from outside your Forum; I think this means your Forum posts are somehow visible to Google and they save them on their computers.

Facebook does have many other Forums for discussion about a variety of subjects. I did post an item on one of their silver forums; however I left when the reply to my question was the picture of a rat and a comment saying
the poster “smelled a rat.” Sometimes a closed anonymous group seems the correct way to go.

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iconnumber posted 06-25-2020 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem. It is most likely helpful to have the search explanation.

I've seen Google index as many as 9,500 items from us but for some reason it keeps going up & down.

It is tough to be anonymous....especially when someone posts often. Most give away telltales in what they post.

Also most users don't realize just how much info their browser is willing to share with the technical observer. Then if you add in all personal info Facebook is collecting and sharing..... eek.

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your Forum posts are somehow visible to Google

We allow Google/Bing/etc. to search the public Forums. The private forums are a no-no. We have also instructed Google/Bing/etc. that other parts of our site are off limits.

Then there are the "bad guys" ...whenever we see a bad guy we block their IP/Host range. We have millions (yes Millions!!) of "bad guys" computers blocked at our server point of entry. This means the "bad guys" are not even allowed to see our home page. Instead they get an error page.

I should give them a rat photo instead of the error. wink

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 06-25-2020 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, have you been in touch with any institutions (like the Smithsonian that you mentioned) about archiving the forum?

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