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Art Nouveau Collector

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iconnumber posted 01-24-2010 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Art Nouveau Collector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-1950]

My wife and I have a multi-decade collection of art nouveau which includes a substantial collection of her pride and joy; arts & crafts jewelry. We don't deal and rarely trade or sell-up. Recently, we purchased the pendant below left on-line, and on the right at an antique show. The work is similar and they are clearly Jugendstil. In particular, the roses are identical; as are the makers' marks, blister pearls, and bails. We have a reasonably large reference library but don't recognize this work or the marks. Do any of you know who made these? Thanks.

Jeff





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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 01-25-2010 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are clearly made by the same maker but I do not recognize it the maker's mark. The 800 of course indicates they are 80% pure silver (sterling by comparison is 92.5% pure silver) Perhaps someone here will recognize the maker's mark.

My first reaction, though, is suspicion. Finding two pendants that are clearly made by the same person/factory from completely different sources and with the same amount of wear on each makes me want to ask whether they are 'of the period' or modern production 'in the style of'. The second part of my initial suspicion is they seem to be somewhat crudely cast compared to the better quality that I tend to associate with period Jugendstil jewelry from Austria or Germany.

Because of the demand for certain popular styles and the cost of authentic examples of these, modern reproductions are too common in many dealer's stocks - whether with or without the dealer's knowledge. They are even more common on big internet auction and sales sites. When one encounters more than one example by the same maker of such an object in different places within a similar timeframe, one must look more deeply into whether they are of the period or modern production that is getting spread around.

I am not saying this is what you have, all that I am saying is this is my first thought. Hopefully someone will recognize the marking.

[This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 01-25-2010).]

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 01-26-2010 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can't help with the maker, but the style, construction, stones, marks, even the chains look "right" to me. Not sure it would be realistic to expect all of the Jugendstil pieces made by the numerous known and unknown German makers to be of the same quality, any more than any other object of the same time period by different makers would be of the same quality. Can't shake the feeling that I've seen those roses somewhere, maybe on a brooch?

Do you have this book on Pforzheim jewelry that came out last year? New Art Nouveau Jewellery from Pforzheim book Had a too-short opportunity to flip through it recently (my companion is a restless shopper at his best), didn't get to see near enough of it.

~Cheryl

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Art Nouveau Collector

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2010 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Art Nouveau Collector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks guys. I'm 100% certain these are right. As I'm sure you know, Arts and Crafts items were made for the masses and were not always the highest quality. Thus, in the case of jewelry, the frequent use of silver and semi-precious stones. None of this of course, takes away its appeal – on the contrary. My only question is the maker, whose mark I don't recognize and whom I can't find anywhere.

To respond to your comment Cheryl, roses seemed to be a popular pattern in Jugendstil jewelry. Those shown here are of particularly nicer quality since they seem to be fabricated from the individual petals and not merely stamped. We have several stamped pendants with roses as well, and they aren't as nice.

Also, we do have the new Pforzheim book and thoroughly enjoy it. Fritz Falk has certainly been an asset to the jewelry community and must be appreciated for the work he's done. I believe he was, or maybe still is, the director of the Pforzheim Jewelry Museum (yet another trip on our list of places to visit).

Thanks again for your comments.

Jeff

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2010 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello & welcome!

I have a question. Given the fact that I am blind as a bat..... Is that a letter mark, & if so is it an L or a B, or something else?
Trying to help.

Jersey

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Art Nouveau Collector

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iconnumber posted 01-29-2010 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Art Nouveau Collector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The mark looks like a monogram of LB or perhaps LBP or some permutation thereof. It's a Rorschach test.

Interestingly, we just found the left pendant pictured unattributed in Art Nouveau by Judith Miller (page 163). Not my favorite book, but it does note the source of its photos. In this case, we happen to know the contributor; a dealer we occasionally buy from. If he knew the maker, I'm sure it would be published. If nothing else though, this will give us an opportunity to stay in touch.

Jeff

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 01-30-2010 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With jewelry the issue is usually that there are always jewelers at work. Many of them are small scale producers who turn out one of a kind items. And frequently their works are inspired by older examples. We can come up with a date for the beggining of Jungenstile. But we can not with any confidence decide when it ended. It is highly likely that there are jewelers today who work in the style.

Are the roses cast or assembled? If cast, there probably is a master used for lost wax casting, which is why they are identical. If assembled, there is some sort of template used which brings uniformity. Do the various parts appear to be hand made?

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Art Nouveau Collector

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iconnumber posted 02-01-2010 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Art Nouveau Collector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not cast at all, Dale. On close inspection, the roses are clearly assembled from six or seven formed and folded petals and soldered into a small cup. They are not at all identical. Each petal seems slightly different than the others and represents more work than you can casually see.

Jeff

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 02-01-2010 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the update Jeff. So, we have two lovely pieces that are clearly hand made and in an older style. It appears that the template used in making the roses is quite freehand; the maker cut the leaves without a really hard and firm template. This is useful information. We know know that the unkown jeweler was sufficiently skilled that he could make items without a template. He knew how to do it.

So, our question now is who could have done this. I am probably the only one here who thinks that smiths frequently emigrated and took their styles and marks with them. In short these lovely pendants could have been produced anywhere there was a signifigant German diaspora community. Which is a whole lot of places. It is quite plausible, to me at least, that in Paraguay a German trained jeweler plied his craft. S/He made things that represented the most uptodate styles in the homeland and marked them in the traditional style. The trick here is to look at the possible areas in which these could have originated.

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