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cannon50

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iconnumber posted 11-21-2004 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cannon50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently got a set of these shades and would like to know the type of lamp I should get to display them with. They are marked Gorham with the three marks and sterling. The pattern number is A11217. This is my first try at posting a picture so it may not work.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 11-26-2004 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess is that they were either used with boudoir lamps or wall sconces and would have had a fabric liner.

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cannon50

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iconnumber posted 11-28-2004 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cannon50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read about the find of 94 Gorham small lampshades in a Pennsylvania coal cellar and seen the pictures as well as a few that have made it to Ebay but from what I have seen and heard they were mostly thin and silver plated. They were used over a fabric shade and were dated to the 1860s. I could see no way to attach the inner shade to a lamp. Might these be made to fit an oil light? If so, how would you keep the silver from getting too hot and burning a fabric shade?

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carlaz

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iconnumber posted 11-29-2004 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carlaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The lamp shade is just part of the set up used with a candleholder. The essential piece that is missing is an item referred to as a "candle push up". It is an unusual shaped item that looks somewhat like a candle with a 'cage-like' contraption around it. There is a small hole at the end of the candle piece (which is hollow where you put the candle through and allow the wick to poke out through the hole). Basically, the candle push up allows the candle to burn down while still holding up the shade.
Many of these shades came with cloth liners with beaded fringe. They are quite beautiful when put together with a candleholder. A few years ago, while staying at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in NYC, I was having cocktails in the hotel bar. Much to my surprise and delight, the bar had these shades with the push up's and the shade liners in the cocktail area of the bar. I am not sure if they still have them there but what a wonderful little surprise.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 11-29-2004 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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cannon50

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iconnumber posted 11-29-2004 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cannon50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


When I saw your picture of a pop up candle I was floored! I have one of these. I got it from my late father in law who bought it in Germany many years ago. I am trying to post the picture. Hope it works this time. Thanks for the info!

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Budguy

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iconnumber posted 12-17-2004 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Budguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I can't believe that i found this forum so fast. Regarding these Gorman lamps, Just this morning I bought four of them for $4.00 each. No Shade and no base holders but the part that holds the candel is all there on all four. I noticed the Apr. 29, 1902 date on the bottom and the "Gorman" names stamped. Also foung the wourd "Double" with a small "G" in a shield. Now I have to find the bases and shades. What's the chance of that?

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cannon50

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iconnumber posted 12-18-2004 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cannon50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bud Guy, where did you get the candle sticks?I have found a few sources but non at that price. By the way, I got the Gorham shades by dumb luck on Ebay. I bought one of two offered then had buyers remorse for two weeks. When I got it I had to have the mate and was offered it at a very fair price. Do a google search for Gorham Lampshade and you may find a few of the silver plated ones offered somewhere. As for the base, I think it is just a weighted silver candle holder that the push up candle slips into. Thanks for all the replies, y'all.

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Budguy

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iconnumber posted 12-20-2004 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Budguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cannon50: I found the four of them laying on the floor in an antique shop. They were black from tarnish. The women told me she wasn't sure what they were but at $4 each, I took a chance. They cleaned up pretty good and i even found the original patent for them on the US Patent Office site. Took a lot of serching but it was worth it. If you want to discuss this more, you can e-mail me at <budman3@optonline.net>
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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-20-2004 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cannon50, Budguy,

Please consider whether your offline communication should be done as a post instead. If it is on subject then I am sure everyone will find it of interest and would appreciate it if you would share.

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Budguy

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iconnumber posted 12-20-2004 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Budguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry Scott, I meant no harm and of course i will share anything else I learn about these candle holders. Mine are not for sale, I just wanted to find out the history of them. By the way, the US Patent number for the "Push Up" stick part is 698,831 and can be found on the US Patent Office site.
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iconnumber posted 12-20-2004 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Budguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should have added that the "Push Up Candle Stick" was invented by Charles R Gaberiel, but the patent was assigned to Gorham Mfg. Co.

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Scott Martin
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Budguy

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iconnumber posted 12-21-2004 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Budguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cannon50: You said you got one of these shades on ebay for a price you were not happy with but got the second one at a better price. Do you mind sharing these prices so I have an idea as to what I might except to pay? Also, thanks for the tip on the Gorham find in the cellar in Penna. I found the site and e-mailed the person but no response yet.
Thanks for your help.
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cannon50

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iconnumber posted 12-23-2004 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cannon50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually got them both for the same price of $19.99 . When I won the first one it was an impulse bid that I immediately had regrets about, especially since I bought only one of the pair. I felt good when I got it in my hands. Obviously, it was not made for electric bulbs. It casts really neat shadows with a small light source such as a candle. These shades are really substantial and well made as well as interesting. I think I did pretty good. The seller surprised me when I lamented my regret at not bidding on the mate. He offered it at the same price. Thanks for the info on the candles.

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Budguy

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iconnumber posted 12-24-2004 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Budguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cannon50, I just noticed something. As I said, I have four of the Push-Up candle sticks. All are stamped with "Gorham" 06 and the Anchor. Of the four, only one has an additional stamp that says "Double" with a "G" . I wonder why this has the stamp and not the others. Any ideas?
Scott, do you have any idea about this mark?

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cannon50

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iconnumber posted 12-24-2004 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cannon50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I am new to collecting myself. I have heard somewhere that Gorham numbers starting with a 0 imply plated ware but not positive on this. As to "double", perhaps extra plate??

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Budguy

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Budguy

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iconnumber posted 12-28-2004 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Budguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Scott for posting the pic's. Now, why out of the four that I have, only one has this double stamp? Anyone?
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iconnumber posted 12-29-2004 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Budguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know if these "Push-Up" candle sticks will fit into any Gorham base? Does the base need to have three groves to hold the candlestick? Thank you for all your help.
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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-30-2004 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From a 1902 Gorham Catalogue:

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