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FWG

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iconnumber posted 12-17-2005 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[19-0584 13-0192]

Here's a nice piece in an unusual pattern -- at least to me. And always nice to have the original fitted box, of course.

I have two pieces in this pattern (the other is a ladle), and I've seen only a few others over the years. Each has been unmarked, except for one that had a clearly later 'STERLING' stamp. All have been serving pieces.

In this case, the piece is identified on an original sticker on the bottom of the box as an Ice Cream Knife Gilt. The letters before that appear to be GE, but I don't know what that might stand for. Nor can I decipher the other markings, which unfortunately are partly obliterated by a small scrape and other writing in red that I can't make out.

The pattern consists of a hexagonal handle, with a beaded bit near the bowl and a flattened disc with knurled edge at the end; the disc has occasionally carried a monogram on examples I've seen. To my eye it looks like a c.1870s design, and the box here seems in keeping with that estimate. I once saw one attributed by a dealer as a Gorham pattern. Does anyone know more about this pattern?

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 12-17-2005 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think Gorham was the only one to produce a pattern like this, but yours is almost certainly the Gorham version. I have a Gorham BEADED berry spoon with the exact same box, and I'm certain it was from the Gorham box department.

Gorham officially called the pattern "SEAL TOP", and it was made in a limited number of items, including an ice cream set. I can't remember the date offhand, but I think it was introduced in the 1860s.

Hope this helps!

Brent

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iconnumber posted 12-17-2005 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "GE" may be "OE" for Old English, as it appears to be a representation of the old English seal top spoons of the 16th and 17th Centuries.

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 12-19-2005 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brent, although this is a seal top form, and it is by Gorham, I have always known this pattern as "Old English". It is pictured on page 30 of the "Jewelers Sterling Flatware Pattern Index" 2nd edition, with a date attribution of 1867. This is the only reference that I have been able to find. If anybody knows of another reference please share it with us.
FWG, your box is definitely a Gorham box, or at least the label is Gorham's, as the symbols on it are Gorham's price code. It's hard to make out, but it looks as if the price was $9.41.
I have seen this pattern in both coin silver and sterling.

[This message has been edited by Richard Kurtzman (edited 12-19-2005).]

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 12-19-2005 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks all!

The one piece I've seen marked was clearly marked later -- it was a generic commercial STERLING punch like one can buy from any jewelers' supply shop, from c.1950s to today, and had unevenly dented the hollow handle when struck, slightly off-center. So I had always assumed them all to be coin silver.

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iconnumber posted 12-19-2005 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was no design patent matching the pattern issued in 1867. There was this somewhat similar design by James Bingham pf Philadelphia.

Has anyone seem an actual example?

There was one Gorham patent issued that year. It was for the first silverplate specific trade mark:

The specification text reads in part

quote:
Be it known that I, JOHN GORHAM, of the city and county of Providence, and State of Rhode Island, have originated and designed a new Design for a Trade-Mark, of which the following is a full, clear and exact description, reference being had to the accompanying drawings; making part of this specification.

My said design for a trade-mark consists of an anchor on a shield, such as is shown in the said drawings, A being an anchor and S a shield. And my design further consists of the legend or inscription, Gorham Mfg Co., as shown in the said drawings.

This mark I purpose using, arranged one above the other, or otherwise, in connection, to designate and distinguish the genuine manufacture or article of "electro-plated ware," (so called,) of the corporation or company authorized and doing business under the name and style of the "Gorham Manufacturing Company," the said marks being stamped or otherwise fixed on the said manufacture in any well-known and effective manner.


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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 12-20-2005 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All of the examples of Gorham Old English I have handled have had solid, rather than hollow, handles.

Since that pattern was introduced in 1867, I wouldn't be surprised if Gorham produced examples in coin and sterling, since they went to sterling in 1868.

I have only seen this pattern made by Gorham.

wev--this is a salt spoon in the 1867 pattern by Bingham. I'm sorry the picture of the marks is so blurry, but the marks are J. B. PATENT 1867

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 12-21-2005 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As often happens these threads develop a life of their own. Here are two more Bingham salt spoons of the same design with no makers mark. The only mark is PAT PDG. From that mark would one assume that these were actually made in 1867?

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 12-22-2005 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's the other example I have, with the later sterling mark.





Notice the deformation around the mark. Judging by the weight and balance -- on both pieces -- the handles should be solid, but if so the person who marked this must have really given it a blow. Looking at it now more closely than ever before, I think that's what happened; the whole handle has a slight bend at that spot, and there's a tiny mark on the ferrule from a slight misplacement on the anvil. So I am now convinced it's solid.

The interior of the bowl on this one was also gold-washed, and it's about 8 inches in overall length.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 12-11-2015 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumping this great thread! smile

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 12-12-2015 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have officially joined the club! biggrin
Got an example for myself. smile

This is a very interesting pattern indeed! My example I just got in today's mail is a large serving spoon.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 12-12-2015 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Might GE stand for gold electroplate if the bowls are gilt?

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