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iconnumber posted 05-21-1999 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I picked up what I suppose is a tomato (buckwheat cake?) server at the Salvation Army today. The pattern is a threaded fiddleback with a nine lobed stylized shell at the end of the handle. The business end is 3" across and pierced in a snowflake design. It is marked TIFFANY & CO - diamond - STERLING - diamond - PAT. C. Can anybody supply a pattern name and approximate date?

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iconnumber posted 10-11-2008 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ellabee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wev surely has his answer by now, but there's still a puzzle here to me.

This is almost certainly the 'Shell and Thread' pattern Tiffany introduced in 1905. A photograph on p. 250 of Wm. Hood's Tiffany Silver Flatware shows the marks described by wev: 'Tiffany & Co.', diamond, 'sterling', diamond, and then 'Pat. 1905' and 'C'.

But in the text, Hood says the pattern was "not patented, as design not completely original". He puts a [sic] after the 'Pat. 1905' in describing the marks.

Maybe 'Shell and Thread' wasn't ever patented, but lack of complete originality wasn't often much of a bar to patents being sought or granted.

Is it possible that Tiffany applied and was actually turned down for 'Shell and Thread'? And that they then cut the patent year out of the die, resulting in the marks on wev's piece? If they did that, why not just remove the word 'Pat.' as well?

[This message has been edited by ellabee (edited 10-11-2008).]

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