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jj
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iconnumber posted 05-26-2002 05:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I have been trying to research a pattern and have not found it anywhere (books or on the internet.) It is in the vine style and the motif is a grass like species with for sprays of seeds going about an inch to the top of the handle. The grass wraps around the back where it show a bloomhead not seeds. NOW this is what is really unusual...the back of the fork (very tiny) stamped crane or swan in an oval. I think it is a crane, but even with a jewelers loop it is hard to make out. It is marked "Tiffany & Co. Sterling and the .M. has something in front of it that looks like a very small backwards c.
Thanks for any help on this piece. Oh the dinner fork if very heavy and measures a bit over 8 inches.

Jane

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 05-26-2002 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have a rare and very nice example of Tiffany's 1872 Vine pattern. The plant depicted on your dinner fork is wheat.

The tiny swan mark is a French import mark, meaning it was brought into France sometime during its life. I think the swan mark was used in France after 1893.

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jj

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iconnumber posted 05-26-2002 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could be sorghum or a reed of some sort or even wild cane, well sorgham is cane?...four sprays of seedheads. Just me again...I registered and read a couple of mistakes in my previous posting. The back of the handle has two blooms and above it is the monogram.
Thanks for any info and this is a really cool site AND it's free! What a breath of fresh air on the internet!!!!

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Jane Wachs

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jj

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iconnumber posted 05-26-2002 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh thanks! I submitted my corrections and saw your post....I thought it might be wheat, but all I could find was the broom wheat pattern and it was not that one.

Happy MemorialDay!

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Jane Wachs

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jj

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iconnumber posted 05-26-2002 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could this be an Expo Piece? Since it has a monogram, I guess not. Still cannot find a jpeg of this pattern anywhere on the internet!

I am on a mission....

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Jane Wachs

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 05-27-2002 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jane, is this your pattern?

I don't think it is an expo piece.

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iconnumber posted 05-27-2002 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is it! I meant to type broom corn, not broom wheat. Thank you very much!

Jane

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 05-27-2002 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vine was a multi-motif pattern, so not all pieces in the pattern will feature wheat. Different sized handles featured different plants, including (but not limited to) pea, gourd, morning glory, daisy, and tomato.

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jj

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iconnumber posted 05-27-2002 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I have sold many vine patterns: gourd, etc. but this one had me really confused! It is so beautiful and HEAVY. I really appreciate your help.

Jane

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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 06-01-2002 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Read all about Tiffany's Vine pattern and see examples of all thirteen motifs in the book "Tiffany Silver Flatware, 1845-1905:
When Dining Was an Art," by Hood, Berlin and Wawrynek, published by Antique Collectors' Club, Woodbridge, Suffolk, 2000 (chapter 5, pp. 186-201).

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iconnumber posted 06-02-2002 10:06 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Jane--you don't have an email address in your profile, so this is the only way I can contact you. please email me at attleboro826@yahoo.com.

Thank you,

Diana Warren

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jj

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iconnumber posted 06-02-2002 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Mr. Hood, I tried to get our library to buy one....I am ordering one from Lauren Stanley.

Jane Wachs

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