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Terrell

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iconnumber posted 12-03-2002 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Terrell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a pair of Tiffany Sterling Silver candlesticks with a 5-line mark. 1st line: "TIFFANY & Co", 2nd line: "17659 MAKERS 4665", 3rd line: "STERLING SILVER", 4th line: "925-1000", 5th line, "m" (in sans serif). Both candlesticks are marked with "CEMENT FILLED", and underneath those words are numbers: the number 2 on one candlestick, and the number 19 on the other.

I would like to know if anyone can tell me when these were made. What is the pattern code, and how can that be interpreted into a date?

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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 12-06-2002 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The number 17659 is the pattern number, and 4665 is the order number. According to Carpenter and Carpenter (Tiffany Silver, Dodd, Mead, New York, 1978, p. 261), the pattern number corresponds to a date of issue of 1910-1911. The "date letter" in this case (the stylized m sans serif) was used between 1907-1947.

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Terrell

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iconnumber posted 12-10-2002 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Terrell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for your reply. Both candlesticks are marked with "CEMENT FILLED", and underneath those words are numbers: the number 2 on one candlestick, and the number 19 on the other. Would you happen to know what the numbers mean and why they are different?

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The number 17659 is the pattern number, and 4665 is the order number. According to Carpenter and Carpenter (Tiffany Silver, Dodd, Mead, New York, 1978, p. 261), the pattern number corresponds to a date of issue of 1910-1911. The "date letter" in this case (the stylized m sans serif) was used between 1907-1947.

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FredZ

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iconnumber posted 12-10-2002 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The number difference may be a method of identifying sequence. Do the sticks have removable bobeches? Are they numbered as well?
I have a pair of handwrought sterling candlesticks. Each candlestick is marked on the base with a number and a corresponding number on the removable bobeche. I know the pair is half of a set of 4 sticks made since one of the bobeches is marked with a 4. I may never see the matching pair.

Perhaps Tiffany made 19 or more of this style of candlestick for a client and used the numbering system to keep the sticks matched to the bobeches.

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Terrell

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iconnumber posted 12-11-2002 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Terrell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your reply. The bobeches are not removable, though. The number is actually stamped, not etched, into the silver. Are your numbers stamped or etched?

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The number difference may be a method of identifying sequence. Do the sticks have removable bobeches? Are they numbered as well?
I have a pair of handwrought sterling candlesticks. Each candlestick is marked on the base with a number and a corresponding number on the removable bobeche. I know the pair is half of a set of 4 sticks made since one of the bobeches is marked with a 4. I may never see the matching pair.

Perhaps Tiffany made 19 or more of this style of candlestick for a client and used the numbering system to keep the sticks matched to the bobeches.


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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 12-11-2002 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry, but I don't know what the numbers "2" and "19" indicate.

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