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artlibrarian

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iconnumber posted 11-15-2004 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am trying to identify the name of pattern number 5090 on the base of a correctly marked Tiffany ewer. I tried to contact the Tiffany archives but have not received a response. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. p.s. do appraisers classify as "scholars" or "general public" at Tiffany archives?

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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 11-15-2004 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tiffany hollowware usually has two numbers, the first being the "pattern" number, and the second being the "order" number. Whether your cited number of "5090" is the real pattern number remains to be seen. A photo of the marks would be most helpful (see How to Post Photos). The other numbers that might be present would also be very important (e.g., a date letter, etc.). Just because your ewer has a pattern number does not necessarily mean it had a "name." Some patterns were designated only by number. The Tiffany archives, for a hefty fee, might be able to find a name for your ewer's pattern, provided the name was recorded along with its number in the firm's "Pattern Book" (a record of hollowware production). Finally, at the Tiffany archives, appraisers generally rank as "general public" rather than "scholars," and if you are an appraiser you will be expected to pay full fees.

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iconnumber posted 11-15-2004 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I neglected to mention there are also the numbers "655 55/55 355" marked on the base by hand etching. Do you know what these mean? Thanks

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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 11-15-2004 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By "hand etching" do you mean hand-inscribed numbers? Such numbers, usually crudely engraved, are often found on silverware, and it is usually impossible to determine who placed them or what they mean. Sometimes they represent things such as weights or inventory code numbers placed there by a retailer or previous owner.

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iconnumber posted 11-15-2004 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much for your quick response. The full mark is

"TIFFANY & CO
5090 M 4524
STERLING"

and the Carpenter book on Tiffany Silver explicitly states that the 5090 is the pattern number, it also says the pattern was originally assigned in 1878 although the piece in question was created in 1889 or possibly 1890. Is that more helpful? The photos I have of the base are blurry, so sending them won't elucidate anything.

The inscribed numbers are lightly scratched in by hand, and thanks for some insight about those too.

I also appreciate your response re: the Tiffany archives.

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