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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 04-21-2005 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THought I needed to spice up this forum...here is a lovely piece that was given to The Newark Museum a short while back. I was tickled to have a sort of typical conservative colonial revival thing by Tiffany, from their Newark factory, with interesting enameling. However, in cleaning it for exhibition recently, I realized that the square molding that joins the engraved vase to the flared guilloche base is PLATED over brass. And, once alerted, the joint doesn't look pristine as perfect as it ought to. Is this a married object, capitalizing on the nicely marked Tiffany & Co. enameled base? Or some weird thing Tiffany messed around with in the late 1920s. Opinions please. I'm humble and willing to listen.

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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 04-21-2005 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not familiar with a Tiffany piece like this one. From your description, my guess would be that it is a "married" piece--a Tiffany base with an added vase.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2005 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Third possibility: this is a commercial item designed for something associated with the flower trade. Like funeral homes. Commercial items can drive the silver scholar crazy. A maker of them could have bought bases from Tiffany and then sold them with upper parts to taste and use.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2005 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at the picture, my thoughts are this could have been purchased with: a high vase, a low vase, a candle holder, a candlelabra, a votive candle, a small flat surface, a large flat surface and other possibilities. Commercial items are always a problem for silver scholars.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 04-23-2005 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Left out a category that is seriously unstudied: liturgical silver. This could be from a line of high church silver. About which as far as I can tell virtually nothing is known. On the lines of: the Tiffany windows came with a flower holder to put in front of them.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 04-25-2005 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ulysses, although I can not really see the join you are refering to, I'm not sure I would write it off without considering how such an ambitious enamel piece would be constructed. I admit that a brass conector does not seem right but the only way to join the two enamel sections is with a cold conection (threaded) or lead solder...
Could it have been repaired? Does it look added to? What does it look like if a light is shined down the stem?

I do wonder at the disimular feel between the base and vase? Although the proportions seem right, is the weight of the top "Tiffany"?

This is just speculation and I will be interested in the answer, when found.

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 05-17-2005 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The base and top do not quite seem right together. The base looks finer quality. And I'm not sure how well, in terms of design success, the guilloché-covered base goes with the other part of the vase.

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