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rfisher

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iconnumber posted 08-24-2004 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rfisher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The company I work for recently purchased this tea set to add to our museum. Since Tiffany and Co has a set in their archives and is shown in John Loring's "Magnificent Tiffany Silver", (page 17) I was wondering if there is any information available that could tell me its story.

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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 08-24-2004 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the pattern number of your set is 774, as you suggest, then this design was first produced c. 1857-1858 (see table in Carpenter, Tiffany Silver, 1978, top of p. 260), but your set could have been made later, still retaining its original pattern number. In the 1850s, the Moore Company was making silverware exclusively for Tiffany & Co., but did not actually become part of Tiffany until 1868. Nevertheless, the Tiffany archives has production records dating back to 1851. As Loring suggests, this set might have been designed by John C. Moore, founder of the Moore Company, who did not retire until c. 1864, or the designer may have been his son and successor, Edward C. Moore, who trained under his father. The design is Neoclassical (or Neo-Grec, as Loring says), as evidenced by the helmet finials, the bands of anthemia around the lids, necks and lower bodies, and the friezes of classical figures and horses around the mid-bodies. That is all the information I can provide. The Tiffany archives, for a hefty fee, may be able to provide more. The set may have been entered by its pattern number in the so-called Pattern Book (a listing primarily of hollowware), possibly along with the family name of the individual who first ordered it. And the archives may have the original design drawings, with the date of design stamped on them (but not the designer's signature or mark). The archives will not have the original ordering records, and unless the set has an inscription with a name, the original buyer/owner may never be known.

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rfisher

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iconnumber posted 08-25-2004 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rfisher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your information. I have included two items that I should have listed in the original note. One is a monogram that is on each piece, the other is the backstamp.


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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 08-25-2004 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The inscription confirms that your set was made no later than 1858. 774 is the pattern number, 4254 the order number. The Gothic M was the touchmark of the Moore Company. The retailer's name indicates the item was made specifically for Tiffany & Co. The quality mark confirms that the piece is sterling (925/1000), not coin, silver. As I suggested yesterday, even with the order number the Tiffany archives would not be able to trace who ordered the set, since such records have not been preserved.

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mdhavey

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I would like to see the gothic M that is the touch mark of the Moore company, but apparently the photo of it has now been snipped because it is too large. Is it possible for someone to post a pic of this?

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mdhavey

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iconnumber posted 10-04-2004 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdhavey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Scott. Very interesting to me as I've not come across the Moore Co. mark yet.

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mdhavey

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Say, RFisher, if you're still on the post, what museum is it that your company is showing this lovely piece, and is it open to the public?

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William Hood

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iconnumber posted 10-04-2004 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William Hood     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mdhavey: The Gothic M that is the touchmark of the Moore Company is illustrated several times in the Carpenters' book, Tiffany Silver (New York, Dodd, Mead, 1978), pp. 248-250.

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