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vathek

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iconnumber posted 05-23-2006 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a musing, but I would have expected more local silver on the Providence Antiques Roadshow. There was none.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 05-23-2006 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since the Antique Road Show brings out strong urges to throw things at the tv, I don't watch it anymore. That said, it seems that ARS does not do much silver. No idea why. Maybe because it is difficult to look at a pedestrian piece and decide it really could bring $500,000 at a 'good auction'. Or maybe because you really need to be knowlegable to comment and schlep a whole lot of books with you. Snark

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 05-23-2006 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Or maybe because you really need to be knowlegable to comment and schlep a whole lot of books with you. Snark

Probably right. We all remember Boos' boo-boos, and I certainly remember the woman who - to her credit - correctly identified, but badly UNDERvalued a genuine Francis Richardson tankard! I'd have bought it on the spot! The British one seems to do pretty well. It may be that the American Roadshows does not attract enough quality silver to justify retaining someone of Ian Pickford's expertise level to sit around and twiddle his thumbs.

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salmoned

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iconnumber posted 05-23-2006 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for salmoned     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe silver is thought less likely to provide the "Wow!" factor the producers seek to induce in the audience. Everyone knows silver articles have some intrinsic value and that greater beauty or rarity increases value. Silver is not found in most households (I know my ancestors (for at least 4 generations) weren't wealthy enough to afford any), so fewer audience members are apt to relate. That's why toys, paintings, pottery, furniture and memorabilia take the lion's share of time - most people have items of that nature.

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 05-24-2006 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe I mentioned that I took some silver to the Los Angeles roadshow. But, perhaps not the right silver. The fellow had three books with him. I brought two Boston coin silver teapots from the 1850's. If I ever get a chance to do it again I know what I'll do, I'll bring that Kinsey pitcher. smile While I was there there was a guy with two Paul Revere serving spoons and a Revere ladle. He was in the greenroom with me and we had to sign a release. When he signed his release he said the things were his mothers so they refused to tape him.

I saw that very elaborate English teaset and Tiffany flatware last night in RI and was surprised to see any silver at all.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 05-24-2006 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ouery for you Outwest.
Why did they refuse the person with his mothers stuff?
Many people have brought things there belonging to family members.
I'll see if I can find out why so little silver is shown although I agree with the fact that most people have it as compared to the other types of things.
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outwest

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iconnumber posted 05-29-2006 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The owner of the item must sign a release. Many people bring their things and their son or daughter in tow. As long as the owner is there to sign the resease they will tape the daughter or whoever. His mother was not there.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 05-29-2006 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Outwest!
Thanks for the info, good to know. I also found out that the Roadshow has about 30 major categories to deal with so they have to limit what they put on air.
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outwest

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iconnumber posted 05-30-2006 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There were about 6,000 people at the LA roadshow. So, you know that only a tiny fraction are taped.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 05-31-2006 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also know first hand that the Roadshow isn't "value added" for at least one of the experts who used to, but no longer, bothers to go. No expenses are paid for anyone appearing as an expert, and unless the PR value is worth it, you don't know.

But I think your take on the appeal of toys and memorabilia versus "antiques" is probably on target. In England, where the Roadshow is usually much more fun to watch, everyone is a collector, and in America we're more typically accumulators. Present company excepted, of course. Alas for us silver freaks. I still watch it, because I'm secretly trying to turn my children into collectors.

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doc

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iconnumber posted 06-01-2006 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apparently, Providence was a three show stop; I happened to catch part of it last night (not sure which of the 3 shows), and while they did not have "local" silver, there was someone with a set of Tiffany Chrysanthemum patttern silverware (70 pieces) and a really ornate English Victorian teaset (had sort of a Kirk feel to it). I thought the appraisals were extremely low for both sets-unusual for the Roadshow, in my opinion.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 06-01-2006 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doc!
I agree they were undervalued. That said, there is nothing worse than having a high evaluation & then it doesn't sell anywhere near that figure. They may have had that experience and are gun shy. Better to err on the downside, me thinks. Maybe that's why our Forum stays away from giving values. It can be very subjective, and lets face it if you love something you tend to overvalue it.
As an aside I have seen Tiffany & other items sell at "auction" for more than you can currently buy the item for if you went directly to their website or store! Some "Name Brands" seem to make people crazy & they just don't think or do their homework I guess.
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swarter
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iconnumber posted 06-01-2006 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For someone who has been routinely critical of Roadshow appraisals, I have to say I thought this appraiser did a credible job - she seemsd knowledgeable and I thought accurate (alhough I didn't double check her dating). I was frankly surprised at her estimates, most probably because I expected them to be unrealisically high, and, if anything, they could have been real-world realistic. Auctions are unpredictable -- granted, things can, and sometimes do, go unrealistically high, but often they do not.
If you listen to the appraisers, they often preface their high estimates with "on a good day . . ." or "in the right auction . . . " They know a consigner would rarely ever realize that.

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 06-02-2006 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This episode was on the West Coast 10 days ago. That's the tea set and tiffany silverware I was talking about earlier. The Roadshow does three episodes for each city it visits. I believe this Monday coming up will be the last RI show.

I still like the show even though it is a cattle call. I like it because seeing all the interesting things people bring in is fun. I also like the England one, but most of the items on that are not American, of course. And the English are much more reserved than the typical American.

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