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doc

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iconnumber posted 10-02-2006 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw a wonderful piece of Old Newbury Crafters this weekend at an antique store. I didn't buy it, but I am still thinking about it, so that's my indication that I will have to go back this week and get it. It had a maker's mark, and I was able to identify it based on information in Rainwater, but Rainwater does not put any dates to the periods that the makers were working. I went on the ONC website, and that information was not available there, either. Is this information available anywhere?

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iconnumber posted 10-02-2006 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This might help:

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iconnumber posted 10-02-2006 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Scott! I did do a search on the site, but didn't look at this posting. Guess I should have!

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iconnumber posted 10-07-2006 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for middletom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
doc,
What is the mark? I should be able to help you out with dates, if you have not yet figured it out.

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iconnumber posted 10-08-2006 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks-I thought you might! It's the mark for Robert Bean.

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iconnumber posted 10-12-2006 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for middletom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
doc,
The piece you saw in the antique store must have been hollowware, though you didn't say so in your initial posting.
Robert Bean made only hollowware, as far as I know, for when I arrived at the company in 1971, that was all that he did, fluting, hammering and soldering. I am not aware that he made any flatware at any time, though I could be mistaken. His mark is the castle gate that is the insignia of the Army Corp of Engineers, of which he was a member during WWII.
Bob worked at ONC from the mid sixties until 1982. He passed away about ten years ago.
If the piece you saw was flatware, then I will check at the company to see when he might have done some flatware.

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iconnumber posted 10-12-2006 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here it is!

Middletom, your prior posting reminded me I had something I was supposed to do-I went back and bought the bowl on the last day of the shop's season (of course, rushing in 5 minutes before closing!). I love it! With this and a Lenore Doskow letter opener I found last week, it's the start of a modern silver collection!

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iconnumber posted 10-16-2006 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for middletom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
doc,
That bowl is one of our series called Tulip bowls. We used to make a number of them in different sizes, though the labor intensity made them expensive, much more so tham a Revere bowl, even a Revere with a hammered finish. The fluting on the Tulip bowls was done blind, placing the bowl over a head and hammering a crease on the outside of th bowl. Then the flats between the creases were hammered and flatened. We offered sizes from 6 inch through 9 inch. Because of the depth of your bowl pictured, I know it is not the 6 inch. The numbering system, as I recall, was 206 for the 6 inch, 207 for 7 inch and so on.
That is a very nice bowl you have and you won't meet its like around every corner.

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iconnumber posted 10-16-2006 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
middletom:

Thanks so much for the additional information. It's a 7 inch bowl, which I thought was a bit unusual. I really appreciate learning how it was made-it makes me love it even more!

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doc,
The reason for the odd size of 7 inches is because the Tulip bowls were made from another series of bowls, called the Governor Wentworth, that we offered for many years in many sizes, in both silver and pewter. The Wentworth bowls were smooth up to the top edge(unless overhammering was requested) with a mild scalloping. So, just a few sizes were chosen to become Tulip bowls.
I have it in the back of my mind to hand raise a Tulip bowl for myself. Ater Bob Bean left the company, i took over making the Tulip bowls and as I recall I only made one 7 inch bowl. Mostly I made 6 inchers, which were shallower and broader in proportion than the 7 inch, and they were all for Shreve, Crump & Low. But we've not made any in several years. Out of fashion, I guess. The one I've in mind will have detail that I'm designing to be incorperated in the scalloping. Nothing that will set the design world on fire, but something that appeals to me.

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iconnumber posted 10-18-2006 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is why this Forum is so invaluable! I love being able to talk to the person who knows how a piece was made. If you do make another Tulip bowl for yourself, I for one would love to see a photo of it. Perhaps I could take a better one of mine and we can post a side by side!

Thank you for sharing your unique knowledge.

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iconnumber posted 10-27-2006 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for middletom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
doc,
I've a small correction to make in the information I gave before. The 6 inch Tulip bowls were made from a broader, shallower bowl than the Wentworth bowl of 6 inches. It was more like a candy dish in its proportions.
This past year, ONC lost its hollowware spinner who was very talented with spinning silver as well as pewter. He went into the hospital for a shoulder operation and the entire situation mushroomed into great error on the part of the doctors treating him, and that error killed him.
Our remaining spinner is not nearly as familiar with larger silver spinning, and he is out now suffering from back problems.We hope he returns to health.

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