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iconnumber posted 01-05-2007 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope someone can help with this question. Are there any American silver apple corers? And if yes, would you let me know of examples.
Thanking you in advance.

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iconnumber posted 01-05-2007 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is one with the mark of Thomas Fletcher shown here, though it may have actually had some other intended use. I have seen another of very similar design, but unmarked in another private collection. I believe that there was also an earlier signed all silver example in the Hammerslough collection, but I can't find my notes of it.

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iconnumber posted 01-05-2007 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have handled one a number of years ago that belonged to a San Diego dealer (not for sale at the time; she has since died, and what became of it I do not know) by a Philadelphia smith, John McMullin. It was in the company of a cann by Samuel Vernon, marred by engraved owners initials in script so large there would have been no room for subsequent ones (!). If anyone knows the whereabouts of that uniquely marked cann, the corer might be located as well.

I have also seen one or more published ones (one possibly in Buhler & Hood), but most museum publications index only makers, not the objects, so one would have to go through all the books page by page searching. If I come across one, I will add it here.

Parenthetically, I have never seen another like wev's example with an ivory handle; the few others I have seen or handled were entirely of silver.

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iconnumber posted 01-05-2007 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello!
As an aside, I have seen ones from England that have ivory handles. Although the question refers to American made corers I'd like FYI to add that Asprey in London in 1925 also made a sterling silver corer/slicer, in the style of what we have here in stainless steel or (hate to say it but plastic).
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iconnumber posted 01-05-2007 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, thank you. Dozens of firms made corers in the 20th century from silver, but that was not the question as I understood it.

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iconnumber posted 01-05-2007 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much, this is very helpful.
By the way I have the Asprey apple corer - I am working on an article for ASCAS and Georgian and Victorian examples are more interesting and I will of course give you credit for your help. Earliest apple corer I found in catalogues was a Charles II example and dates to 1682 - sold just recently as part of the beautiful and unique James Walker collection.
Again many thanks.

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iconnumber posted 01-05-2007 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Christie's NY offered one (all silver) by Thomas Hammersley of NY "Circa 1760," lot No. 117, in their sale No. 1189 of January 16, 2003. There was no provenance given and it did not sell.

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iconnumber posted 01-06-2007 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Related to your example of 1682, a silver example "with a caster in the handle" (it has a pierced hollow finial) is hallmarked 1683 and is illustrated in Clayton's Collector's Dictionary of Silver and Gold . . . .

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iconnumber posted 01-06-2007 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swarter, thank you, I do not have the catalogue Jan.16, 2003 - [snip .... SM]. Mostly the ratio 10/1 between American and English Georgian pieces held true..... so far. I think it is fair to say that American examples are rare - English ones also relatively speaking, most apple corers were made from turned wood, ivory, mutton bone, etc.
Bravo re the Charles II example in the Walker sale - it was the very one, pictured in Clayton and in the catalogue it is stated: Plate 60 & page 14 "The Collector's....." Michael Clayton, 1971, where the author states this is one of the earliest examples known but erroneously dates it a year later than it is.
If interested in rareties the James Walker collection catalogue is a MUST to have.

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iconnumber posted 01-06-2007 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has been brought to my attention that my request re the existence and whereabouts of American apple corers for an article on the ASCAS site is in conflict with the guidelines of the SSForums. While I am sorry about this, please let me assure you that writing for ASCAS is totally on a voluntary basis and does not earn me any monetary rewards. By the way writing about silver is a time consuming, "hard" business and even if a token fee is paid - as for instance from various publications about silver - the hourly wage would be pityful.
I think it is in the interest of any silver community to help further knowledge about silver and many pairs of eyes and ears see and hear more than one.

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iconnumber posted 01-10-2007 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for argentum1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are researching for an article then we should all be eager to assist. Research is a long and frequently arduous undertaking. So, if you make a bit of money on the article good for you. If anyone has done research for academic papers in a collegiate or professional setting; whatever monetary reward there may be is most likely not enough for the work involved. If there is an article I would love to read it.

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iconnumber posted 01-10-2007 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ditto on Argentum's comments. Dorothea, we all appreciate your contributions to the forums and are very happy to have you as part of our membership.

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