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rian

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iconnumber posted 01-31-2006 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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May I add my $0.02 to the discussion going on in the Silver Stories Forum? Perhaps by the time women marry today they have become too practical to suddenly fall in love with silver, so the pitch should be aimed at them when they are younger. I have only sons, but even boys appreciate the Old Baronial spoons, sturdy and with a fierce animal peeking over the handle. Visiting little girls love to have the princess cup and the princess spoon (anything with flowers and ruffles) and they like the animals too.

If you give silver as a baby present, it goes into a drawer and disappears forever. By age 6 to 10, a little girl might really like a fancy silver spoon as a gift to take care of and use on special occasions. Who knows, you could start a lifelong romance. I hope so since I've started giving them to nieces and cousins. Anyone else doing this?

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venus

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iconnumber posted 01-31-2006 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My little ones are learning to appreciate silver. They help me do online research and are allowed to arrange things on the shelves. I am always so excited when I make a nice find, that it extends to them as well. They already have dibs on their favorites. wink

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rian

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iconnumber posted 01-31-2006 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus, tell them they only get dibs if they're willing to polish!

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venus

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iconnumber posted 01-31-2006 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol ummmmmmm good idea but not sure to or not to polish I mean is it tarnish or is it patina?

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carlaz

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2006 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carlaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that it is tarnish if you have to clean it yourself and patina if you are trying to sell it smile.

But seriously, a light cleaning with a foam based cleaner (the kind that will foam up like soap when used with water) will do wonders to bring out the shine in your items. A light scrubbing with a bit of the paste and a toothbrush will help with the difficult tarnish that is in the decoration on the handles. My rule of thumb is the more elbow grease needed, the more patina you will remove. And by all means, make sure you dry it thoroughly and not leave any water on the pieces as that will cause pitting down the road.

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taloncrest

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iconnumber posted 02-02-2006 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been trying to tempt relatives as well as friends with gifts of silverplated flatware. I'm afraid to trust them with the real thing. You can often find really nice, lightly worn, complete sets very inexpensively at local auctions around here. I gave my oldest niece a service for twelve in Alvin's Lafayette pattern, my boss received a service for eight of Community Plate in the Deauville pattern, (I didn't want to give that one up, but he loves the pattern and I couldn't think of anything else) and a good friend got a service for eight of Community Plate's White Orchid. I only have four friends who show any interest in owning sterling. Two of those have had the nerve to ask me to leave the same set to each of them in my will! Wedgewood by International, by the way.

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rian

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know Wedgewood. Don't blame your friends too much--Wedgewood is a really handsome pattern. Out of the period I collect, but really nice...
Hmmm....

Carlaz, I don't know what foaming cleaner is. I use Wrights with water and a rag when I get something new(old and tarnished) or when I need a touch-up. I like the soft toothbrush idea! Even if I feel guilty about it, I do polish every now and then.
A tray with a covered sugar, creamer, cloth napkins and a spooner full of orphan teaspoons stays out on the divider all the time. When visitors accept a cup of coffee or tea, I ask them to choose their favorite teaspoon. That way they look at the patterns and don't just pick one at random. The popular ones stay nice and bright. I know I should choose one of the wallflowers myself, but they always wind up in need of a touch of polish.

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you post a picture of the Wedgwood flatware? I have the Wedgwood candle sticks and candy dish by International. Well, perhaps I should search on line to see it.

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taloncrest

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Outwest, you might try to an image search search on Google for "international sterling wedgewood" or search Ebay. There should be plenty of pictures there. I'm not sure if it makes a lot of difference, but unlike the famous Wedgwood company, the International pattern is spelled Wedgewood. Yes, I saw your candlesticks on an earlier post and drooled over them quite a bit. The candy dish would interest me even more. I started my set back in the mid 80's. A friend of mine had a set of demitasse spoons in the pattern and I thought they were beautiful. He is probably the reason I'm into silver in the first place. He started to buy a set of Kirk Repousse once until his junking companion told him "You already have four sets...everyone is going to think you're touched!" You know, he always regretted not buying that set!

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
taloncrest, I believe that you are mistaken. It is spelled Wedgwood, as in Josiah.

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outwest

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outwest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My candlesticks are stamped, "Wedgwood" without the 'e'. Maybe the flatware has an 'e'?

You are going to think me totally daft, but I did do an image search on Google, looked at the pattern and then something was tickling the back of my mind. I dug around in the bag of mismatched stuff that I don't know what to do with, but can't throw away, and look what I found:

What does one do with a single salad fork?

Excuse that it needs polishing and that last nights dinner is showing on the tablecloth, but since you asked and it is fun to show you:

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rian

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably taloncrest did as I did and took the spelling from Tere Hagan, who lists the name as Wedgewood with the extra e. I've seen the pattern in the past and liked it but don't think I really noticed the spelling. I do know about Josiah Wedgwood but figured wrongly that liberties might have been taken with his name. Now about Hindostanee....

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wev
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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps it is akin to what is found in typefounding (at least the sort of typefounding I deal with): you could not copyright the design of the face, but you could copyright the name, hence ATF Garamond and Monotype Garamont. Same face, different name.

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taloncrest

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taloncrest     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have always assumed that it was with the e in this case, but since it is spelled without it on the piece itself, that is how International spelled it. I just checked a photocopy of the index to the Jeweler's Circular-Keystone sterling flatware pattern book, and it is without the there e as well. I search ebay using both spelling.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 02-03-2006 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen the Wedgwood pattern used in a large bowl with a pierced lid. The bowl has been marked sterling, while the lid is often silver plated and is marked "brass screen". Is there some reason why International choose to made the lid from brass?

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rian

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2006 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Outwest, you asked about what to do with a single salad fork. I like the suggestions made by Polly and dragonfly wink. Use it for evangelical outreach. You said elsewhere that you were looking for someone to go silver shopping with. Try giving it to a friend without telling them what the pattern is. Researching a piece can lead to, well, passion, I guess. Try a gardening friend--I think there may be a correlation between gardening and silver collecting. I could swear the same area of my brain lights up for a nice piece of silver as for a paeonia rockii in full bloom.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2006 07:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well now you tell me! (Kidding).

I have an almost complete set of Wedgwood flatware, it was my DH Grandmothers (we think). I just need a couple of forks dinner & grille. Although I personally love the pattern I have not actively been looking for the missing pieces since for some strange reason my DH gets a strange taste in his mouth when he eats off of sterling, so I don't use it. Quelle domage! Has anyone else had this experience? I had hoped one of my sons would take one of the 4 other sets I have but they don't want to polish it. On the other hand if it were the Stanley Cup they be fighting in line over it !!! Maybe when I'm gone they will think again. I guess was the same way when I was younger.

To taloncrest,

I had until very recently the SP White Orchid Salt & Pepper shakers, even though the Orchid is one of my favorite flowers it did not go with anything else & I had a friend who loved them. Also I did not want to start yet another collection, I've got too many now!

Jersey

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2006 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually as I recall, the salad fork in Wedgwood is more ornate than the one you show. Looks more like a luncheon fork, I suspect.

The taste problem is one I have run into a few times. It seems to be a matter of individual body chemistry. Some people just can not stand the feel of silver for some reason. Sad, but this does happen.

The top part of the bowl is a flower frog. It appears to be a standard IS form; one used on a number of IS bowls. Which would explain why it is not in sterling.

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rian

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2006 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL--That was a little florid, wasn't it.

I hope my sons will want my silver too. But the other day one of them told me that the first thing they are going to do after they drop me off at the nursing home is put all the silver up on eBay. The others laughed so hard they fell on the floor. Sharper than a serpents tooth....

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wev
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iconnumber posted 02-04-2006 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I said on the other iteration of this thread, my daughter plans on opening a large soup kitchen when I die -- buy a bowl, get a spoon. . .

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2006 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wev, even though there were 3 generations of fine restaurant owners in the family I believe the name my sons invoked is "Denny Dumpster"... they still would rather have the Stanley Cup, NFL Vince Lombardi or MLB World Series trophy instead. I believe that if they had the finances of Bill Gates...but hopefully He would not do that!
BTW Many "steals" have been gotten by the incorrect spelling of Wedgwood...and I think there really is a WedgEwood maker or pattern but not what we are looking for. Obviously there are other makers items that are mispelled that get picked up on the cheap.
When doing a search I usually spell things every which way to cover all bases. Sometimes I win! Sometime I spell wrong too!
Thanks for listening. Have a great day! Happy Super Bowl, And of course lest I forget, early Happy Valentines Day to All!
Jersey

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 02-04-2006 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is an Enoch Wedgewood china firm. Which is a mainly inexpensive line of romantic Staffordshire china.

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Gentleman_Adventurer

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iconnumber posted 02-09-2006 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gentleman_Adventurer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About the funny taste on silver. Wrights and Hagerty's (and I assume all the others) have a wax that retards the tarnish. That's what you're tasting. Flatware needs to be washed after polishing or before use.

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t-man-nc

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iconnumber posted 02-09-2006 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for t-man-nc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wev,

Lisa, still plans a yard sale at "Two for a Quarter"...

"Smaug"

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