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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 06-19-2007 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can any one help with the mark on a modernist cup. It is 2 5/8'" wide at its base and is a straight taper to 2 1/4" at the top which is cut in a slow curve (up and down) from 2 3/4" to 2" to 2 1/2" to 2".

It is not well made (seamed not raised) but is finished well on the outside (polished smooth), on the inside are rough hammer marks where the solder seam of the bottom and the sides was slightly rounded. It has fire scale...

The marks are

    STERLING
    HANDMADE

and a shield divided into a top half with no texture and the bottom with checks, a serrated line separating the halves.

In the top plain half are 2 walking wolves looking to the left and in the bottom is 1 wolf.

I tried goolgling and a search here but no luck. My guess is an amateur, 1950-70.
Thank you in advance!

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 06-19-2007 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you post a picture?

The combination of amateur construction and what is apparently a professional quality maker's mark could suggest the work of a silversmithing class or group. An example of this is Great Falls Metal Works, the products of which, while varying tremendously in quality, always bear the group's own maker's stamp (GFMW in a circle).

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 06-20-2007 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Paul, I will try!

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 06-27-2007 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Images of side, inside, bottom and mark with 3 wolves.






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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 07-26-2007 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This little cup is in danger of going off to the melt!

Anybody have a thought?
THanks.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-26-2007 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello agleopar!

Why would you want to destroy the piece, is it because you can't find out who the maker is? I don't know what your mark is (but I haven't done my homework either). Would you want me to chuck your pieces, because I can't ID your work? The cup may be a simple enough piece, & maybe it has no monetary, aesthetic, artistic or whatever value other than it's melt value, but to me the marks appear to be a well thought out mark. I'd personally keep trying to find the maker (it's the pit bull in me). Besides that it's an unusual shape. That said, it's your cup, your decision.

That's my 3 cents worth.

Thanks for listening.

Enjoy the day!
Jersey

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-26-2007 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to ask our Australian members to give this another look..... To me there is a kangaroo in the mark. What do you think?

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adelapt

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iconnumber posted 07-27-2007 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for adelapt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A genetically modified kangaroo maybe, but not the kind I usually see! I'd be more inclined to suspect a link between the mark and the armorial bearings of wherever it was made.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 07-29-2007 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Jersey, I am trying to save it! And no, of course I'd like all my work to exist forever...(except the dogs!)

Actually I like this little cup/vase/sugar bowl and if I owned it I would keep it until I had found out who made it. A good friend owns it and he is a dealer who buys scrap, usually damaged filled candle sticks and the like. He has never melted a good piece of silver but this to him is too modest and of no intrest. He tried to sell it and no one looked at it. So last week I fished it out of the scrap bucket and asked him to hold off until I tried you all again.

They are wolves or foxes.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 03-06-2008 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello agleopar!

I must have been asleep (for a very long time)........& did not see your response. Thank you for keeping the piece. I did see somewhere a modernist sugar bowl that looked similar to the piece. Now the problem is where did I see it!

Now that it has come to my attention, I'll ck my books etc. again. Also, maybe by now someone can shed more light on your maker.

Dogs?????

Enjoy the day!
Jersey

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2008 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Jersey, it has gone to the big melting pot, not my choice... It is a shame that one can not keep all the unknowns and interesting things but it is after all an expensive metal.

The images are still there and some day I hope some one will come up with a name.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-07-2008 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Members who are going to be scrapping silver may want to give some of us a chance to "rescue" your scrap from melt. You can do this in the SSF Forsale Forum without being in conflict with the Guidelines.

Since the spot silver $$ has been changing frequently, you may want to ask spot plus a % or $ in your post.

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FWG

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2008 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a shame. My position probably would've been that a piece that small wasn't worth scrapping - must've been under 2 ounces, no?- the curiosity value would be more than that. I do save a lot of pieces using that reasoning, but of course one can't save them all (at least not on an academic salary!)....

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2008 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Scott I will keep the Forsale Forum in mind.

I am sure that the news that this cup has been melted upsets most of us, myself included. FWG I have saved a few pieces back when the price was $10/oz but now my budget does not cover $20+/oz... (If I remember it weighed 3.5oz)

I would still like to know the maker, maybe a European maker working in the states?

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-31-2013 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to bump this post back to the top of the page (maybe it has a German connection?) to see if anyone knows the mark.

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