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Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all,

I just looked at a paten, in a shop I frequent, yesterday, with the mark pictured below. My drawing skills leave something to be desired, but the reason I am bringing this to the Forum is two fold. The first is curiosity, the second is that I like to purchase religious silver items and get them back in circulation by donating them to the proper denominations with as much documentation as I can muster. Also, with silver prices being as high as they are, I am trying to be more selective in what I purchase for charity. I did not bring my camera, and the shop where I saw the paton is in a different city. Otherwise I would submit a photo.

My question is, who is the maker? I checked my usual source references, but came up empty handed.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Marc

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have an silver Oil Stock with that mark but don't know. If you learn something please let us know.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swift & Fisher North Attleboro Mass.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Right you are. Thanks.

quote:
History of Massachusetts Industries
Their Inception, Growth and Success
By Orra L. Stone
S.J. Clarke Publishing Co.
4 volumes, 1930.
pages 279-292 (without illustrations)

NORTH ATTLEBORO—CENTER OF JEWELRY PRODUCTION
...

The firm of Swift & Fisher was established and is still owned by Harry W. and Joseph H. Swift and manufactures a complete line of religious articles. It operates one of the most complete lines of Machinery for making uniform buttons in the country. Among the large list of customers on the firm’s books is that of the United States Government which places many orders with the local concern. Fifty hands are employed.

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quote:
DIRECTORY OF MANUFACTURERS: SRPEDD REGION, 2002

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Swift & Fisher Inc
195 John L Dietsch
(508) 699-4457
Mark Fisher

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, what is a "silver Oil Stock"? Do you mean a stock certificate rendered in silver? Do you have pictures?

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Holy Oil travel set (oil stock) includes separate compartments for the three Oils marked OI, SC and OS or Catechumens, Infirmorum and Chrism. They are used for Baptism, Confirmation, Ordination and Anointing of the Sick.

There are three kinds of holy oil in the Catholic Church [and many Anglican/Episcopal Churches]:

1) Oil of the Sick ("Oleum Infirmorum")
2) Oil of Catechumens ("Oleum Catechumenorum")
3) Sacred Chrism ("Sanctum Chrisma")

These three oils are often identified by their initials, respectively:

1) OI
2) OC (sometimes "OS")
3) SC

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohhhh. I have seen those before and never knew what they were called. Or what they do redface Not really up on my ecclesiastical silver I guess.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott!
You are most kindly welcome.....!
Beautiful piece.

Marc, you go & save that paten please.
We had a Chalice engraved with my Dad's name in his memory & we loaned it to our church for safe keeping to be used mainly for Family happenings i.e., Communions etc.......a new priest came in &, not knowing it's history or checking to see if there was anyone in the parish with that name, appropriated it to some mission. After crying forever, I reconciled myself by knowing my Dad loved to travel, & he would be remembered by less fortunate people in poor countries which he was always giving to. That's not to say I wouldn't love to have it back.

Jersey

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the help...

I will post a photo of the rescued paten when I pick it up next week.

Scott, when I get oil stocks, they are usually European rather than from the USA, and I have never been able to place them. I have had 2 in the past 8 years, and I ended up giving each to a good friend who needed multi sectioned pocket pillboxes.

Marc

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wev
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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Harry Fisher was the son of the jewelry manufacturer Clarence Fisher and had 5 uncles in the Attleboro trade.

[This message has been edited by wev (edited 07-01-2008).]

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-01-2008 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marc,
Merci, mille grazie! Gratiam habeo! Danke!

Jersey

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 07-07-2008 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello again,

Here are some photos of the rescued paten including the makers mark on the back.

Thanks to everyone that helped with the identification of the manufacturer.

Marc

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2008 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marc!

I am a happy camper! Hope you find the right home for it!

Jersey

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Scott Martin
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