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Brent

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2009 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote



Here is an odd pair of items. They are silver, but unmarked, and not particularly heavy.

What I noticed about them is that the cheese knife and olive fork ends are identical to those used by Tiffany on their standard flatware patterns. In addition, the handle shape is just like Tiffany's ST DUNSTAN, though completely plain.

So, I just have to wonder what they are. Factory mockups? Copies? I can't call them fakes or reproductions, since they aren't marked at all. Any ideas?

Brent

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-18-2009 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brent,

They don't look cast and they don't look hand forged .... so unless you tell us otherwise they seem die struck.

The questions....

    Why would someone go to the expense of creating a die?
    If the intent was forgery then why not add the Tiffany marks?
    Without any marks, could it be for some sort of secondary replacement market?

As far as "Factory mockups? Copies?" ... Maybe.
I don't clearly recall whether Tiffany's ST DUNSTAN dies included their marks... If they did include their marks in the die then it is unlikely a "Factory mockup" .

I really don't know what you have here other than a good mystery. I'll be very interested in hearing what everyone thinks.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2009 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Scott. I should add that the tines on the fork are actually gold washed, like you would see on a finished product. I find that particulary odd. Also, they clearly have been used; there is all the wear you would expect to see on old flatware that was used fairly regularly.

They do seem to be die struck; they are not cast, and there is no evidence of hand work, other than the piercings. They are reasonably thin, certainly not the weight of a normal piece of Tiffany flatware.

My best guess at this point: Some sort of in-house prototype, perhaps from the development of the St Dunstan pattern. (ie. Here's how the standard end shapes would look with the new handle profile) Then, taken home by an employee and used. They did turn up here in New Jersey, and Newark isn't that far away.

A mystery indeed.

Brent

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 06-18-2009 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
May I hazard a guess.
Untimely ripped from seed pods.

[This message has been edited by Richard Kurtzman (edited 06-18-2009).]

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2009 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aha!

The secret to Tiffany's success! Years of selective breeding to obtain plants capable of growing flatware. VINE must have been their first success; the name, of course, an inside joke.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 06-19-2009 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe someones metal shop project? I'm sometimes surprised at the level of things high school shop classes could produce and this looks consistent with that level of workmanship (although nowhere near professional).

[This message has been edited by vathek (edited 06-19-2009).]

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 06-19-2009 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brent, Vine, not bad.
What I had in mind though was "The Invasion Of The Silver Snatchers".

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