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artlibrarian

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iconnumber posted 08-19-2009 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello to everyone,

I am wondering if anyone can provide some information about the marks on the following tea set (tete a tete), I am posting a photo but I could not get a better image of the marks, they are tiny. One is "Tiffany" inside a lozenge, the others "950" and "STERLING". The set was purchased in London in the 1970's. I can't find any information about 950 Tiffany sterling or this lozenge mark. I am assuming (although American) the style is more 'Edwardian' than 'Victorian' (i.e. early 20th century rather than late 19th). I have checked Loring, Carpenter, the internet. Any input or direction that someone can give me would be appreciated, thank you in advance!

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 08-19-2009 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this means a piece made FOR Tiffany rather than BY Tiffany...the 950 mark just suggests a higher (i.e. more luxurious) standard. The style is very French, but did France use such marks for EXPORT goods? Tiffany had a store in Paris...and 1890s on is possible...

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artlibrarian

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iconnumber posted 08-19-2009 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much for the response Mr. Dietz...on account of your post I just read in Tardy that silverware sold in France has the maker's mark in a lozenge and should also have a Minerva mark (which I don't see). But since it has American marks "Sterling" and "950" I assume it was made in America...so possibly made in America by Tiffany for export to France? Style Louis XVI revival? Any kind of confirmation from anyone would be helpful since I just don't know enough. Thanks!

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 08-19-2009 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If 950 is a standard mark it seems odd to combine it with a sterling (925) stamp though I suppose not deceitful if the the pieces are actually better than sterling.

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DB

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iconnumber posted 08-19-2009 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hanau makers ( Schleissner Company) made silver for Tiffany and stamped right away with a Tiffany mark see page 183, Bruno Wilhelm Thiele: Tafel-und Schausilber des Historismus aus Hanau.
If this is the case with this specific set, is hard to tell - just a suggestion.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2009 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are the handles ivory?

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artlibrarian

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2009 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for duplicate post...

[This message has been edited by artlibrarian (edited 08-20-2009).]

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artlibrarian

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2009 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you to everyone for the responses thus far...

Yes, the handles are ivory.

I'm confused re: the Hanau/Schleissner suggestion, I don't have access to the Thiele book, but would a German company mark an item "Sterling" or put the Tiffany name inside a lozenge?

Thanks again for the suggestions and help.

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2009 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that a European company manufacturing for Tiffany would use whatever marks Tiffany provided or approved which doesn't take you much further. Sterling might be added if the pieces were for export.

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DB

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2009 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Schleissner made many items for Tiffany and stamped with "Tiffany&Co., Sterling", the author does not mention a Tiffany & Co., 950 mark - but it is entirely possible, there are also items stamped by Schleissner with "Beverly Hills CAL." and "BUCHHOLZ &ZELT" which was a silver importer in New York.

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DB

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2009 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I should add the swags and the medallion are also very typical for the Schleissner production.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 08-20-2009 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do the meddalions and finials look like? They appear to be figural, but can't tell from the photo.

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artlibrarian

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iconnumber posted 08-21-2009 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The finials are vegetative (thistle or some kind of berry or acorn on a leaf bed), the medallions are monogrammed, under each spout is a ram's or goat's head.

Thanks to all for continuing to assist...

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Marc

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iconnumber posted 09-17-2009 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi artlibrarian,

There is a chance that there are other marks on the pieces. Check the outside rims of the pots and flanges of the lids that fit inside the bodies. The French, (and other Europeans) like to hide marks in these places too..

Always happy to confuse.

Marc

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iconnumber posted 09-20-2009 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I meant to suggest that the set was made in Europe for the American trade. Stylistically it is very continental, and not American--except in taste, which is very much what Americans in 1900 admired. I have never understood why Tiffany would import foreign silver early in the 20th century, when their own factory in Newark had hundreds of skilled silversmiths who could match anything coming out of any foreign capital. But, I'm not a marketing genius. The American hunger for Yerapee-an goods knew no bounds.

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iconnumber posted 09-22-2009 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlibrarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone for the continued responses...and thanks for the analysis of the style.

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