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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 10-08-2009 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just when you think you've seen it all along comes something that reminds you why you're into this stuff.

Here's a 7" fork in the La Rochelle pattern by International Sterling - nothing much unusual about that and when I first picked it up I didn't really make out what was applied to the top of the handle. My eyesight being what it is I got out my magnifying glass and was surprised to see a skull with KKK impressed in it sitting above a pair of crossed keys. I turned it over and engraved on the back was the inscription Alpha Theta.

I had never seen anything like this and the piece intrigued me so much that I decided that I had to have it.

So now that I have it the question is, what is it? Anybody know, have any ideas or just want to make up a story?



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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-08-2009 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Kappa Kappa Kappa

A local men's fraternity located at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire.
The fraternity founded in 1842 is the second-oldest fraternity at Dartmouth College and the second-oldest local fraternity in the nation.

It is a single school organization and is not a chapter of any national organization.
The organization has no affiliation with the later post American Civil War Ku Klux Klan, which first formed 24 years later, in 1866, and adopted Roman-alphabet initials, "KKK", similar to the Greek letters of Tri-Kap. According to legend, Kappa Kappa Kappa sued the Ku Klux Klan for defamation of name but lost because the judge ruled that the similarity in initials of the organizations was sheer coincidence.

Alum include various Senators, Representatives, an ambassador, Pulitzer Prize winner, actor and White House speech writers.

Kappa Kappa Kappa is in no way related to the Ku Klux Klan and is established in the North, rather then the South as another definition states.

Kappa Kappa Kappa is a men's fraternity.


I believe Alpha Theta is a co-ed sorority at Dartmouth.

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Brent

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iconnumber posted 10-09-2009 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! I have seen other "KKK" skulls on Kirk OLD MARYLAND flatware, and assumed they were Klan items. The fact that they aren't is nice to know. It would be difficult to convince the average person that they aren't, though.

Brent

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 10-09-2009 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott, Have you seen an image of the skull and crossed keys that attributes it to Kappa Kappa Kappa?

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 10-09-2009 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. I would have gone the klan route but for the Alpha Theta. For the little research I did, this is what made sense.

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iconnumber posted 10-09-2009 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Skulls & Crossbones are fairly common fraternal symbols, a search for Kappa or Tri-Kap skull should turn up other examples. Not that it's an area of much knowledge for me, but would associate the skull more with the Black Legion than the Ku Klux Klan.

~Cheryl

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 10-10-2009 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may be from the Kappa Kappa Kappa sorority based in Indiana. Do you think they had whole flatware sets made up?

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Brent

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The KKK flatware I saw was in Indiana, and there was a bunch of it, so maybe.

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Just remember that Skull and Bones is the name and the symbol of the most exclusive, secretive and powerful of all Yale secret societies--one to which belonged both Presidents Bush and William F. Buckley. I can't imagine the KKK actually having flatware, but I'd believe it if I saw it.

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iconnumber posted 10-11-2009 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alpha Theta is also a Christian Sororoty, but in this case it is probably the name of a chapter of a "TriKappa" fraternal organization. Traditionally Greek Letter Fraternities and Sororoties are trinomials, and their local Chapters are binomials.

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