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venus

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2006 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Will post a picture tomorrow, but maybe someone already knows the answer. Found a butter knife that has the marks an eagle with spread wings, under this is an anchor, then comes a right facing head. It looks a lot like a Diane head but it is not inside the flower shape but an oval. It has the soft look of silver, not silver plate and looks pretty old. If not old than fairly worn. Any ideas who or what it is?

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iconnumber posted 06-20-2006 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewshane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With only two marks and one being an eagle, my guess is an American coin silver item.

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iconnumber posted 06-20-2006 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ty andrew. was all ready to take the pictures, when my batteries died. will try again today.

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2006 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hope you can make out the marks.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 06-22-2006 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is American coin silver, and those are "pseudohallmarks", the identifying marks often used by wholesale manufacturers, especially here in the northeast. I'm away from my copy of McGrew at the moment, but they appear to be eagle - anchor - bust. I'll check McGrew when I get home to see if he identifies this set.

I see that form usually referred to as a breakfast knife rather than a butter knife, but don't know how reliable that terminology may be.

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venus

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iconnumber posted 06-22-2006 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ty both ..... couldn't find it in my way out dated books.

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2006 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FWG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
McGrew, in Manufacturers' Marks on American Coin Silver, p.69, lists this mark as "Albert Coles - Morgan Morgans?", citing three examples on a folding fruit knife, a "hollow-handle 'Olive' pattern butter knife", and a beaded-pattern butter knife.

Sorry for the delay; I've been "putting out fires" at work and home....

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2006 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TY for the information on those makers found this from Google search

"Shiebler left this partnership in 1874 and within two years bought the silver spoon manufacturing business of Coles and Reynolds (which in turn had earlier taken over A. and W. Wood). On March 4, 1876, Shiebler and five employees began to operate Coles and Reynolds under Shiebler's name. In 1877 he bought the firm of John Polhamus (Polhamus having died that year), followed five years later by his acquisition of the factory of Morgan Morgans Jr., the successor to Albert Coles."
(article in part)

Could this possibly be Shiebler or is it prior? Anyone know. Most probably prior or he would have been using his own mark?

Using the search feature here as well as an internet search it appears that Albert Coles and or successors or Morgan Morgans interchanged the center mark (anchor on my knife) with other things. Pretty much the eagle and the bust (G Washington?) stayed the same.

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iconnumber posted 06-23-2006 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    The Book of Silver
    Flatware
    Silver Marks & Patterns
    by Scott & June Martin

The Goggle search also pulled up this book that is sold HERE as having information on the above company/silversmiths. We should all take advantage of the books listed here as reference and support this site with purchases. Anyone got a ladder to get me off this soapbox?

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iconnumber posted 07-03-2014 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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