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chase33

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2011 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey all,

I recently acquired a Tiffany center bowl. Based on the marking, it dates from 1956-1965 (has the L. mark). There is also a model number - 23347. Is there anyway to get additional information based on this model number? I'm kinda hoping that there might be a service such as the one provided by Samuel Hough for Gorham pieces. Any ideas?

Robert

PS I'll try to get some pictures up later

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 03-07-2011 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Robert, The number dates the design to about 1947.
There is a listing of pattern numbers and approximate dates in the Carpenter book on Tiffany.
The 925-1000.com website has all this information as well.

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chase33

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2011 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Richard,

I had looked at that site and that is where I had gotten my date of 1956-1965. I didn't see that farther down were the pattern numbers as well. I thought I had gotten to the end of the page when I saw the google ads after the history on Tiffany. That will teach me to keep scrolling.

So it looks like unless I can get someone at Tiffany to check their archives (yeah I know, good luck on that - lol), I am kinda out of stuck.

Thanks again

Robert

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2011 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I recall correctly, Tiffany charges considerably more than most are willing to pay for an archive search.....

~Cheryl

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 03-07-2011 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Robert !

FYI. There used to be a great gentleman at Tiffany's but alas he is no longer there. He was a fountain of sharing information & very willing to deal with the likes
of me!

Jersey

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chase33

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iconnumber posted 03-08-2011 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As promised, here are the pictures. If anyone recognizes this or has additional information, I would appreciate.

Side View:

Side View of Handle:

Handle Detail:

Top View:

Mark:

Thanks

Robert

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denimrs

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iconnumber posted 03-08-2011 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for denimrs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dragonflywink:
If I recall correctly, Tiffany charges considerably more than most are willing to pay for an archive search.....

~Cheryl


Cheryl,

You are right. I think it is a couple of thousand dollars and takes several months. I wanted to ask a very simple question and that was the information I got when I called to enquire. So, I joined this Forum and asked here where I found out a lot about my funny little fork.

Elizabeth

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 03-10-2011 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From a curator's point of view, this is one of the few really significant pieces of modernist silver that Tiffany produced in the 1940s--and the pattern date to 1947 puts it right on the edge of modern design in the immediate post-war years. Modern really never did (does) very well at Tiffany's, and thus such significant pieces as yours are rare. They did a lot of great designs in the 1930s--which were all financial flops (hence desirable for curators). As everyone has said, getting any information about a specific piece is all but impossible, since their archives are about corporate branding and not about public service. Oscar Riedner is a good candidate for the design of your piece--but I wouldn't venture to guarantee that he is the designer.

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chase33

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2011 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chase33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your curator's viewpoint,Ulysses.

Since Tiffany silver isn't what I usually collect (and therefore haven;t really researched) its interesting to hear what you have to say. I have always thought of Tiffany as a trend-setter but my views are based on what I have just seen and heard in the media. I guess I have never really thought about how the company may have been making beautiful deigns that were financial flops.

I just checked out a copy of Mr. Carpenter's book and it does seem to lack information regarding the post Art Deco period. Anyway, I love the bowl and plan on keeping it a long time. Maybe by then I can pass it on to someone else who will love it.

Robert

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2011 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert,

I'll get first dibs! Love it!

L is for Lusk director at the time! 1958-1965, I believe .

Jersey

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