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 John Wendt 'Monroe' vs. 'Arabesque'
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jprice33 Posts: 204 |
posted 01-23-2002 02:49 PM
  
[01-0550] I have a client claiming that the image/sketch as provided in Hagan's book of 'Monroe' is in fact 'Arabesque'. Can anyone shed some clarification here? IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 01-23-2002 04:22 PM
Your client is correct. Arabesque Design Patent 3194 patented September 22, 1868 Monroe IP: Logged |
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 01-23-2002 09:50 PM
True, Hagan made a mistake, which has misled a lot of people. The real MONROE is a rather plain and unassuming pattern, which also happens to be quite rare. There is so little of it available that the confusion with ARABESQUE is almost a moot point. I will see if we can't post a picture of the real MONROE in the near future. Brent IP: Logged |
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Trefid Posts: 96 |
posted 01-24-2002 07:12 AM
 Here's a not-so-great picture of Wendt's MONROE pattern. This example also has monogram removal. But it's the only piece of it I've ever seen. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 10-11-2008 05:27 PM
quote: Both of these patents are credited to BEBNHABD D. BEIDEEHASE. Were they later reassigned? Just curious, and very likely I am misunderstanding something. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 10-11-2008 05:55 PM
Rainwater shows Bernard Beiderhase as a partner in J.R. Wendt & Co. from 1866-71. ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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ellabee Posts: 306 |
posted 10-11-2008 06:19 PM
Beiderhase went on to form his own firm. Rainwater (5th ed.) quotes the Jeweler's mag. January 1893 obituary for Rudolph Fuchs of Fuchs & [George B.] Beiderhase, which says that Fuchs served his apprenticeship with B.D. Beiderhase & Co., New York. Going by their statement that Fuchs had been connected to the silver business for 18 of his 34 years, that would put the beginning of his apprenticeship around 1874-5. [I'm guessing that Bernard was the father or uncle of Rudolf's later partner George Beiderhase.] As a 'Kings' pattern obsessive, I can't help but notice that Bernard Beiderhase and Rudolf Fuchs form a possible additional link between the Wendt and Dominick & Haff versions of the pattern. Supposedly the Wendt dies went to Adams & Shaw at some point after 1870 and thence to D&H (which bought Adams & Shaw). After Rudolf Fuchs' apprenticeship with Beiderhase, which would have ended c. 1881-2, he also went to Adams & Shaw and D&H, leaving in 1884. Does anyone here know if there was a patent on the Wendt-produced version of 'Kings', and if so, the date and/or patent number? It's probably time for me to pony up for some back issues of Silver Magazine. I'm wondering whether there's any chance Beiderhase was the one issued the patent on 'Kings'. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 10-11-2008 08:01 PM
Cheryl & ellabee, thank you both. I cut and pasted that name so it would be sure to be spelled correctly. Oh well! [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 10-11-2008).] IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 10-11-2008 09:26 PM
Heh, sounds like maybe you used google's patent search, it's filled with misspelled names and words, some are pretty amusing. ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 10-12-2008 01:15 AM
That's true. Google definitely missed on that one. IP: Logged |
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