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ztiques

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iconnumber posted 10-19-2009 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ztiques     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-1914]

I collect silver and have never and any Arthur Stone silver with this mark, I find it very interesting that this set came from a family member that work at Stone yet some pieces don't have the correct mark.

I recently purchased a Arthur Stone Sterling Silver flatware set for eight in the "Pointed End" pattern, it is from a descendent of a family member who worked at Stone in Gardner, Ma. about 50% of the set has the "Stone" mark the other half is mark sterling within an oval, all of the pieces are of the same quality and identical except for the mark.

Thanks for any and all help!

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agphile

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iconnumber posted 10-20-2009 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agphile     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess it is a bit dangerous to try and comment from England without knowing too much about Stone's marks. Assuming that the entire set is from the Stone workshop rather than assembled from two different sources - and I see why you think the former is the case - there are nonetheless two different actual makers' initials on the items illustrated. Is one initial consistently on the Stone marked items and the other on the remainder? If so the items in the set may possibly have been made at two different dates and in one case it was thought inappropriate to add the Stone mark to items that were being kept by a staff member (to discourage selling on of items provided at or near cost). This is just speculation, and I don't know whether the Stone workshop ever used a sterling mark like the one on the pieces that lack the actual Stone mark.

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Ulysses Dietz
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iconnumber posted 10-21-2009 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is very hard to see just from pictures, but it seems that there are subtle, yet real, differences between the two sets--including the amount of wear on the engraved monogram (unless that's just a fluke of the photography). I think half of the set was made after Stone closed, to flesh out a smaller set. Whoever did it did a good job and was an expert silver maker.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 10-22-2009 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Ulysses is right. There are subtle but noticeable differences in the shapes of the two in the photos. Finding sets of silver that have been assembled at different times is common. Also, finding sets where a second maker's flatware that closely matches the original one is also not at all uncommon. In this case the match is close and so I would imagine you will enjoy using it with no one at your dining table suspecting it is two different makers.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 10-22-2009 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello!

Just curious, are there any differences in the weights?

Thanks

Jersey

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 10-22-2009 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An article in Wikipedia about Arthur Stone has a link to the marks that his company used and the benchmarks that his silversmiths used. The B could be for Blanchard or Brown while the W could be for Alfred Wickstrom.

You would have evidence that your spoons were made within the Stone Company, if you could locate flatware with the known Stone mark together with a W that matched your W. A saved search on eBay may well turn up work with the known Stone mark and the letter W. Good hunting.

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middletom

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iconnumber posted 11-03-2009 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for middletom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Ulysses that there are slight differences between the two spoons which would indicate a different maker and, maybe, an attempt to match the Stone pieces. Very nice pieces, though.
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