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mdhavey

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iconnumber posted 12-02-2004 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mdhavey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[01-1983]

I recently came across a heavy (over 1/2 lb.), beautiful art nouveau punch ladle--an extremely well made piece that feels and looks like Tiffany or Scheibler. But it isn't, and I've had a deuce of a time IDing it.

Any suggestions?


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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 12-02-2004 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you go to the post Pierced Sterling Dish - What is it? Hallmark? You'll find Brent has provided the answer to what manufacturer used this mark.

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dragonflywink

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Simpson, Hall, Miller & Co. of Wallingford, CT. Company was one of the first to become part of International Silver. The mark was used after 1895 and continued to be used by International after 1898. They made some lovely detailed floral patterns.

Cheryl ;o)

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mdhavey

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Thanks for the info! I am curious--what reference are you using for this? I'm surprised to see that Rainwater, 5th edition missed it. And is there any info on their designer(s)? The workmanship on this ladle is extraordinary, as I say reminiscent of Schiebler. It's not repousse work, it's chased and very intricate (i'll try and post a better picture) and done by a first rate artist.
--doc

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Scott Martin
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  • Rainwater 3rd edition page 186
  • Rainwater 4th edition page 310

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Scott Martin
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When you say "Schiebler" do you mean Shiebler?

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mdhavey

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Yes, I've never been good with speling. How odd that Rainwater dropped this mark with the 5th edition--why do you suppose they would do this?
Thanks for setting me straight.
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S,H,M & Co is on page 229 of Rainwater's 5th edition. I rarely use the 5th edition, see the post: Rainwater 5th Edition

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mark77

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the knight head is a hallmark of the international silver company. -mark77

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dragonflywink

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Usually use Rainwater (4th) and Turner for Victorian-Edwardian pieces. Find that almost all references have errors somewhere, and have caught a few in Rainwater. Turner's book (American Silver Flatware 1837-1910) was written in 1972, and I'm sure there is more current info available, but still one of my all time favorite silver books.

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