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chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 05-19-2012 05:29 PM
  
Hello All Here is a piece I recently acquired but I am not sure of its use. The best guess is a flower “frog” or arranger. This leaves me wondering for the following reasons: 1) it seems too tall and round. The others I have seen are either flat and pierced or slightly domed 2) it is very decorative with the repousse work where others same to just have plain piercings 3) it has a monogram on the rim which would be hidden by flowers. It was made by Jenkins & Jenkins – Baltimore Maryland – 1908 to 1915. It is 2 ½” tall and 4 ½” wide. The base is perfectly round. Any ideas as to its use and what other piece it was used with, would be greatly appreciated. IP: Logged |
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chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 05-20-2012 09:51 AM
I forgot to add in my post is it looks like this piece was "hand-hammered" on the repousse part? I don't know anything about Jenkins & Jenkins and not alot about the repousse technique, so again, any information would be greatly appreciated. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 05-20-2012 12:39 PM
Have seen quite a few flower arrangers, in different sizes, most were fairly simple pierced designs or wide wire mesh - and not many were solid silver, even if paired with sterling bowls or vases. Your pretty piece looks more like it designed to fit over, rather than set into something. Perhaps the top to a pottery or glass potpourri/rose jar? ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-20-2012 02:12 PM
I agree with dragonflywink. IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 05-20-2012 03:22 PM
I also agree with Cheryl. I think it's likely to be a potpourri jar top. IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 05-20-2012 03:33 PM
Along these lines, c 1905 by Baltimore Silversmiths IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 05-25-2012 04:26 PM
Piling on, yes I vote for the lid of a potpouri jar. The flower design would signal the flowery smell of the contents, and the reticulation would let it out. The banding around the bottom would fit around the neck of the jar which could be either silver or glass. My guess is it was glass and was broken leaving the top and since it is silver it was not tossed out. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 05-27-2012 05:07 PM
If mine, believe I'd be keeping an eye out for a nice old ginger jar that it might fit and complement (the lids are often missing anyway); or maybe have a woodturner produce a jar for it out of some rich dark wood..... ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 05-27-2012 06:31 PM
Cheryl, what a timely reply. I went out last night and looked at 2 craft stores for possibilities and found this one: Heres another shot, just not as sharp: It was cheap enough and looks much better in person than the photo. I might get a few more and experiment with frosting and/or painting the glass to see what that looks like. I have a friend who paints so I might see if should can paint on glass. There is also an art glass studio that produce wonderful modern glass so I might take it to them and see if they could come up with a great design for it. I think there is also a wood worker in town so I think I might see if I can track him down. But for now, I think I did pretty good (although I am going to one or two more places tomorrow just to see if I can find something else!) Thanks for everyone's opinion and help. BTW, how good are pieces by Jenkins and Jenkins? I don't see much online about them. Robert IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 06-05-2012 05:53 PM
That is a good solution, though if it were mine I would go ahead with that for now but keep my eye out for a jar that has straight sides and is less tall. Also that is made of a thicker, leaded crystal glass. And to really make it special, to find such a jar in cobalt or even amethyst glass. I know that is pretty much impossible to find and especially in a size that the top would snuggly fit on, but I think it would look really great if you ever did find one. You could have one made by one of those companies that reproduce old glass inserts and such for antique restorations, but you would likely pay a very dear sum for such bespoke work. IP: Logged |
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seaduck Posts: 350 |
posted 06-07-2012 11:43 AM
Robert: I was just perusing the catalogue for an auction and stumbled across an image of something very similar, sitting atop a cut-glass cylindrical or drum-shaped container. It's lovely. The catalogue calls it a 'biscuit jar'. I don't want to run afoul of the forum rules. Perhaps you can find it. If not, perhaps you can ask Scott to connect us by email and I'll send you the link. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 06-07-2012 03:45 PM
Everyone's eye is different (thank goodness), and for me, a somewhat voluptuously shaped jar would be more in keeping with the repoussé work and purpose than a straight-sided jar - suspect that would make me think more of a cigar or biscuit jar. Agree with Kimo that the jar you found isn't bad, but it seems a bit less substantial than the lid deserves. Glass may be your preference, but have seen a pretty good number of ceramic potpourri jars, including some with metal tops. My first boss in antiques was a pottery expert, he had a centuries old blue & white Chinese ginger jar, with a fairly old pierced silver 'make-do' lid (seem to recall British hallmarks, but it's been a really long time...) - it was one of my favorite pieces. He had a couple of others with turned wood tops, to me, not quite as attractive a choice, despite my weakness for old woodenware. ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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doc Posts: 728 |
posted 06-07-2012 05:50 PM
I do not think this top would belong on a biscuit jar, as this top has open work, which would expose the contents of any jar to air and moisture. IP: Logged |
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chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 06-07-2012 09:48 PM
Hi Seaduck I searched but couldn;t come up with the listing you mentioned, so I would love it if you could send me the link. Thanks Robert IP: Logged |
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seaduck Posts: 350 |
posted 06-10-2012 10:01 PM
Doc -- yes...I agree that the open top of Robert's piece would not be appropriate for a biscuit jar. Stale, moldy biscuits! I was thinking of the overall form and an example that might give him ideas. Polly's comments about form are valuable, too.
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