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Polly

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iconnumber posted 04-09-2015 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A package was waiting for me today:

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 04-09-2015 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's a Mouse Bowl? This is:

Master salt, Gorham for Tiffany, c. 1868, anticipating Rob Butler by about 150 years.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I REALLY like that! smile
That early Gorham can't be beat!

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's a wonderful piece, Polly! Curious about the size - there is a picture from the Gorham archives in Tompkins' 'Handbook of Gorham Open Salt Dishes'(1987), noting the size as 1" high and an average weight of 2 oz., assuming that one would be an individual salt.

~Cheryl

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it as well...I hadn't seen this one before. Is it possible to see a closer shot of the marks?

I might have a prejudice but I think Robert's has the best personality wink .

Over the years the mouse has appeared on numerous items by Gorham, for example:

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lost the pictures in a computer crash years ago (should look to see if I have a print-out somewhere), but I once had a Gorham mixed-metal card tray, silver with a prayer wheel and mouse in copper...

~Cheryl

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chicagosilver

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chicagosilver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Super bowl! Okay, this isn't holloware but it's a great Moser mouse pin, from the Tadema archive:

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, all! Look at all those mice!

Scott, I agree--Rob's mice are the best--they have the most personality.

Marks:

It's about 4 1/2" wide (handle to handle) by about 2 1/2" wide the other way and about 1 1/2" tall, weighs exactly 2 1/3 oz troy. With a pencil for scale:

Side view, showing handles:

It's monogrammed with initials and 1843-1868 (presumably for a silver anniversary).

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm right that the T & Co is for Tiffany's, right?

Cheryl, I just got that Gorham salts book myself and saw the listing. This bowl is a tad bigger than the sizes they list there, but not by much (e.g., 2 1/3 troy oz instead of 2, 1 1/2" tall instead of 1). But I still think it's a master salt--it holds a quarter cup (2 oz), which seems like kind of a lot to me.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    ".... the T & Co is for Tiffany's, right?"

I don't know but, in this case, I don't think so.

I am sure you will find Internet sites that claim the "T & Co" is a Tiffany mark but I am sure they don't provide scholarly documentation to support this assertion.

The date mark (A) indicates 1866. I don't believe Tiffany ever used "T & Co" on holloware/flatware when this item was made.

In recent years Tiffany did use the "T & Co" mark but I have only seen it on jewelery items and the "T" usually has serifs.

I believe I have heard respected scholars speculate this "T & Co" (sanserif) mark belonged to a small company Gorham acquired.

I am not certain about any of the above because as it has been culled from my memory so contradictions and clarification are welcomed. smile


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Polly

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iconnumber posted 04-10-2015 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the clarification, Scott. Gorham not for Tiffany's, then.

The T&Co is stamped lightly underneath the Gorham stamps, so that does support your idea--perhaps it was made for/by T&Co and then Gorham marked it themselves after buying the company.

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