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wessex96

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2017 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wessex96     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can anyone identify for me this lady on the souvenir teaspoon...?

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Thanks, Ian

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2017 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not really a souvenir spoon, though it could certainly serve as one, it's part of Gorham's 1885 Nuremberg multi-motif pattern...

~Cheryl

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park1226

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2017 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for park1226     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is indeed part of the Nuremberg service. It was a motif used on salad and tea forks. Shown on bottom right of page 17 and top right on page 25.

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wessex96

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Many thanks for the speedy identification. I had not realised it was a part of that service, so I have just looked at the Gorham 1885 catalogue and seen that, including all the various Nuremberg sets, about 150 different cast figures were produced!

The above figure is part of the handle of a plain teaspoon.

I wonder if she is gathering things in her dress - or selling them…

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dragonflywink

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My somewhat extravagantly engraved Nuremberg demitasse spoons, suspect they were presented as an 1891 wedding gift...

~Cheryl

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2017 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With her hair hanging free and the loose frock, suspect she is just a maiden gathering spring flowers.

~Cheryl

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wessex96

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2017 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wessex96     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
..and how appropriate! - the wild primroses are just coming into bloom here in Dorset...

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Polly

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Oh, we haven't yet had a thread about Gorham Nuremberg (or Nuremburg, it gets spelled both ways), have we?

The demitasse (coffee) spoons often get made into souvenir spoons. I have 3 of them, with a 4th on the way--I'll post it when it arrives. I also have the 12 Five O'Clock Teaspoons (with a smooth bowl instead of the more common fancy bowl, shown in that catalogue), as well as what I think is a sugar spoon.

All my Nuremberg spoons, shown together for size:

Closeups of the gents (front):

Closeups of the ladies (front):

Closeups of the coffee spoons (front):

Closeups of the sugar spoon (front and back):


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Polly

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2017 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing I love about this pattern is that the backs are just as detailed as the fronts. Here are the backs of the 5 o'clocks and the coffees:




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Polly

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Cheryl, I particularly like the monograms/engraving on yours. Charming!

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2017 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it too, Polly - they were actually thrown in with the purchase of an old plush presentation case, the dealer thought the engraving ugly and that it devalued the spoons...

~Cheryl

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wessex96

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iconnumber posted 02-25-2017 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wessex96     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Polly, you have a great range of examples. The fellow on the clock tower is most appealing. Do you think he could be announcing a curfew?
Carpenter’s book states that the cast patterns for the Nuremberg range were designed by F Antoine Heller, Gorham’s principal designer at that time. (Heller was born in France and trained in Paris.)

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Polly

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I do like the idea of the fellow on the tower announcing curfew. It was sold to me as a "Wee Willie Winkie spoon." I'm not familiar enough with the Wee Willie Winkie story or rhyme to know if there was a good reason for that.

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wessex96

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iconnumber posted 02-26-2017 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wessex96     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I recall the nursery rhyme, if it were Wee Willie Winkie, he would be wearing a nightgown!

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 02-26-2017 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1882 catalog

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 02-27-2017 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gorham is so awesome! I love those old catalogues.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 02-27-2017 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My latest Nuremberg coffee spoon--I think she's "E" in the catalogue Scott posted.



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wessex96

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My spoon does not really fit into any of the above categories of the smaller coffee / demitasse / 5 o’clock spoons, shown above. It is a ‘standard’ teaspoon, almost 5¾ inches long. I suppose the cast figures were increased proportionally in size…

Ian

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Polly

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Ian, your spoon uses the same handle as one of the forks in the catalogue park1226 posted. Look at the bottom right of p. 17 and the top right on p. 25, as park suggests.

I imagine your spoon's lady was made using the same die as those forks, and is the same size.

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wessex96

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iconnumber posted 02-28-2017 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wessex96     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Polly, you are most probably right. Thanks.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-01-2017 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These must be scarce. I don't see this pattern often.

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