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maisey123

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iconnumber posted 06-07-2009 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maisey123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hello,

My name is maisey and I live in New England. My interests are in collecting flatware for use.

I do have an art history background, and can help with old English Hallmarks, as my husband is an antique knife collector.

Would like to join this forum and would contribute as well.

I was given this set, to match my Lady Constance, it is similar but I can't find any mark except for the STERLING mark on the handles of the carving knife & fork (It looks to me like luncheon size).

If anyone knows this pattern I would be very grateful for any help in identifying it?

I like it better than the sterling Lady Constance and am hoping to find sterling flatware closer to it.

The Handles are hollow, and but the blade and fork are marked stainless.

I uploaded pictures!

Thanks again.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 06-08-2009 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the forum, Maisey! I'm sorry but I don't know the pattern - hopefully one of the others here who are greater experts in flatware than I am will recognize it.

One possibility, though, is that many carving sets, salad serving sets, and the like are not parts of specific patterns but are generic. The lack of a maker's name or marking on yours makes me wonder if this might be the case. Generally flatware manufacturers tend to be quite fastidious in applying their company's markings to their flatware of which they are proud, and leave it off when they are selling through third parties where they are not responsible for warranties.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 06-10-2009 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the forums. Identifying patterns from a carving set is always difficult; they just never seem to match up well enough with the solid pieces, but that's just me. Also if they were mine, I'd keep looking for some kind of marking.

I've done some looking for a match with nothing that looks likely so far, but I'll keep them in mind when I'm doing further looking. Good luck with the set anyway.

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 06-10-2009 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't know the pattern, but many hollow-handled pieces escaped being signed by the makers, even good makers. I have had several carving sets and other servers by Durgin, Gorham, Whiting, etc. that lacked trademarks and were merely stamped "STERLING" (or with nothing at all).

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maisey123

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iconnumber posted 06-10-2009 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maisey123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Paul Lemieux:
Don't know the pattern, but many hollow-handled pieces escaped being signed by the makers, even good makers. I have had several carving sets and other servers by Durgin, Gorham, Whiting, etc. that lacked trademarks and were merely stamped "STERLING" (or with nothing at all).

Thank you everyone for taking a look. I guess it will remain a mystery!!

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 06-10-2009 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Point taken about the markings on carving sets Paul. I have a fifteen inch long carving knife in my desk drawer that is only marked sterling on the blade guard but that doesn't stop me from taking it out every now and then to look for another mark.

Maisey123's set is much better looking than my knife, so I haven't given it much more effort than to look for the mark. It mainly looked like a decent amount of sterling silver for a small price when I bought it.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 06-11-2009 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have had this set a number of times. There also is AIR a salad serving set with the same handles. My impression has been that this set was not sold by a silver maker. Instead, I suspect it was the product of a knive maker who needed to expand product offerings. There are quite a few silver items that were sold through drugstores and general stores rather than the standard jewelry and department store venues the silver makers used. Both Ronson and Zippo had sterling and electroplate products about which we don't know a whole lot.

Frequently marks are not about who made the piece but about how it was sold. Or given away. I could imagine the carving set coming with a roasting oven. Or in a sports shop with the hunting equiptment. Or even in being a sales premium.

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Paul Lemieux

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iconnumber posted 06-11-2009 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paul Lemieux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe Dale is onto something and the pieces were premiums of some sort. To me, they, to borrow a phrase from Futurama, "resemble but are legally distinct from" non-generic, patented patterns. For example they are in the same vein, but not as intricate, as Gorham's Kensington.

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bascall

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iconnumber posted 06-11-2009 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a wedding gift set is another possibility. The pattern does have a generic appearance that would allow the set to work with a lot of different patterns for someone with an open mind about that kind of thing.

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