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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-10-2018 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is Polly's fault! biggrin

I was so inspired after seeing her newest ladle that I ended up buying this piece:

The thing that's really cool as it's in the original box! The box has seen better days, but it has done it's job protecting the spoon. The spoon is MINT!

I've wanted an example of this pattern for close to 20 years and I figured it was time for an example. smile

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June Martin
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iconnumber posted 03-11-2018 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for June Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very cool. What do you think the purpose of the spoon is?

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-11-2018 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe it to be a berry server.

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Richard Kurtzman
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iconnumber posted 03-11-2018 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard Kurtzman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like a croquette server.

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2018 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, that is fantastic!! Look at that box! Look at the perfect condition of that scoop! Wonderful, TJ! I'm proud to take the blame.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2018 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-12-2018 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ashland, how great to get it in such good condition, what a find. I can't tell but is she wearing gloves? Actually lace ones?? Polly showed me an image of one that seemed to have engraved lace like gloves and we wondered if that was original or added later.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2018 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Robert!
I believe she is wearing a glove, the hand is textured and it's totally original like that. I looked at it under a loupe. It's funny because even with the glove texture, there's a ring on the finger and you can see fingernails!

It's an odd pattern for sure, but super cool in my opinion. smile

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2018 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks as if TJ's lady is wearing her lace glove. I've now seen enough that I'm convinced the gloves are part of the original pattern. My two ladies have traces of the lace-glove texture in the low points, though it's polished or worn off on the high points.

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2018 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe they all were like that. I've looked at a lot online lately (for study purposes) ended up buying mine though, lol. biggrin

I have, however seen some examples are pretty worn from polishing, but all had that texture that I have seen. The ring, however, seems to be on the larger pieces.

The Dallas Museum of Art has a few pieces that you can look at online. Highly recommended!

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2018 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a close-up:

Polly, if you don't mind, I have a question about your examples:

On the back of the disc, on both sides, does it have a wavy appearance? Kinda like a mono removal?

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 03-13-2018 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure what you mean by "A wavy appearance." My ladle has a monogram on the front of the disk, and the back is soldered to the handle (so it couldn't have been monogrammed there). There are no monograms on the front of the disks on my tongs, and the backs are soldered to the arms of the tongs (so they could not have had monograms). There are some light vertical scratches, I assume from polishing. Isn't your disk soldered to your scoop's handle, precluding a monogram on its back too?

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-14-2018 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed it's soldered to the handle, like you say. I just noticed when I got mine that it had the scrapes from top to bottom on the back of the disc. At first I thought something had been removed from that area, but after studying it further I concluded that it was made that way at Gorham. (Likely solder being scraped away during manufacture)

I just wondered if your examples were similar.
(you can only really see these scrape marks when looking at reflections on it)

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Polly

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iconnumber posted 03-15-2018 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you show what you mean in photos, or is it too hard to get them to show it clearly?

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-15-2018 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll see what I can find to illustrate. My server is put away and I'm away from it at the moment. I'll see if I can find a comparable picture online that shows what I mean. smile

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asheland

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iconnumber posted 03-15-2018 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for asheland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm having a difficult time finding a picture. frown It basically has the look like a monogram removal, but evenly throughout both sides of the back of the disc. I've concluded it's simply tool marks from manufacture (solder removal)

I just wonder if other pieces are similar. Unfortunately this pattern is so scarce that there aren't any pieces I have available to check in person. I'm just curious about this.

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